Scion FT-86 FR-S

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I don't think, he's going that far into it.

I gotta agree w 70NYD, gotta do extensive work to make tC a good car... but that can be sad bout almost any car.

What is considered extensive work?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

The same body kit is offered by World Racing. It's their Scion tC widebody. The Black FWD tC is not carbon, it's their standard WB. The AWD tC is WD. That's one example of a World Class Track Record setting tC.

The PTuning tC is not the same and can be built by the common guy. YET it still has a repeat Time Attack Championship.






Oh WAIT I forgot you need more specs since you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Scions and what they are capable of. The FWD (black one) is still pushing 900+whp. Both of them are on it....wait...for it......Stock Sleeves in the block. Of course they are purpose built. Purpose Built to be faster than anything in their class and categories, and in MOST cases, faster than the RWD and AWD PURPOSE built race cars they run with in the series (go do your homework and check out the lap times).

What you rather spend your money on is your personal choice, that no way shape or form reflects how another car supposedly Sucks now does it. If the actual chassis of the car (Which is an AWD chassis shared from the Toyota Avensis) sucked so bad, then teams would not be rocking it and taking home trophies.





How many Stock tC's cost the same as an Evo, STI, S2k, 350z??

And no offense, how many track records have you broken? How much track experience do you have in general?

How do you go to a RACE Track and NOT Race? Yet again, you make comments that make no sense. What part of ON and OFF the track was not clear? What part of (even against my own 350z) did you over read?

I have 50+ vids of me racing my tC. Kinda hard to dispute a clear 3 honk and then both cars accelerating as them NOT RACING. Or kinda hard to dispute a video of cars on a Race track and Me eating them up in the corners, eventually causing them to flag me by.

Trust me, you don't know more about what tC's are capable of than I do. I've raced my tC going on 4 years now, both on and off of Boost. It does not take 20lbs of boost for a tC to beat ANY of those cars I listed. Only takes about 8-10lbs of boost on a tC. 20lbs of boost on a tC would be in the neighborhood of 450whp.

You did get one part right though...I do own a tC. And who better to give people explanations and experiences about this car, other than someone WITH experience....Unlike yourself, who just look at marketing commercials and think that's what every Scion owner is about. How Lame..

Define what your interpretation of 'neighborhood' is. And the huge list of supporting mods you would need for this to be a correct statement.

Some math for you. 20psi gives a pressure ratio of 2.36:1 So even if you could magically through 100% efficiency transform this into a 2.36:1 density ratio, pushing that through a motor that only makes 160hp stock would equal about 377hp. At the crank. As in, not at the wheels.

So what extensive other mods are needed to hit the 'neighborhood' of 450whp?

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

The same body kit is offered by World Racing. It's their Scion tC widebody. The Black FWD tC is not carbon, it's their standard WB. The AWD tC is WD. That's one example of a World Class Track Record setting tC.

The PTuning tC is not the same and can be built by the common guy. YET it still has a repeat Time Attack Championship.






Oh WAIT I forgot you need more specs since you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Scions and what they are capable of. The FWD (black one) is still pushing 900+whp. Both of them are on it....wait...for it......Stock Sleeves in the block. Of course they are purpose built. Purpose Built to be faster than anything in their class and categories, and in MOST cases, faster than the RWD and AWD PURPOSE built race cars they run with in the series (go do your homework and check out the lap times).

What you rather spend your money on is your personal choice, that no way shape or form reflects how another car supposedly Sucks now does it. If the actual chassis of the car (Which is an AWD chassis shared from the Toyota Avensis) sucked so bad, then teams would not be rocking it and taking home trophies.





How many Stock tC's cost the same as an Evo, STI, S2k, 350z??

And no offense, how many track records have you broken? How much track experience do you have in general?

How do you go to a RACE Track and NOT Race? Yet again, you make comments that make no sense. What part of ON and OFF the track was not clear? What part of (even against my own 350z) did you over read?

I have 50+ vids of me racing my tC. Kinda hard to dispute a clear 3 honk and then both cars accelerating as them NOT RACING. Or kinda hard to dispute a video of cars on a Race track and Me eating them up in the corners, eventually causing them to flag me by.

Trust me, you don't know more about what tC's are capable of than I do. I've raced my tC going on 4 years now, both on and off of Boost. It does not take 20lbs of boost for a tC to beat ANY of those cars I listed. Only takes about 8-10lbs of boost on a tC. 20lbs of boost on a tC would be in the neighborhood of 450whp.

You did get one part right though...I do own a tC. And who better to give people explanations and experiences about this car, other than someone WITH experience....Unlike yourself, who just look at marketing commercials and think that's what every Scion owner is about. How Lame..

im sorry i dont know what else to reply to that load of gibberish..
one question
is that 8-10lb of boost on STOCK internal compression ratio?
or did you change the compression ratio?


AND FOR FUCK SAKE LEARN TO MULTY QUOTE.. MULTIPLE POSTS ARE SO FUCKING ANNOYING

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

How many Stock tC's cost the same as an Evo, STI, S2k, 350z??

And no offense, how many track records have you broken? How much track experience do you have in general?

How do you go to a RACE Track and NOT Race? Yet again, you make comments that make no sense. What part of ON and OFF the track was not clear? What part of (even against my own 350z) did you over read?

I have 50+ vids of me racing my tC. Kinda hard to dispute a clear 3 honk and then both cars accelerating as them NOT RACING. Or kinda hard to dispute a video of cars on a Race track and Me eating them up in the corners, eventually causing them to flag me by.

Trust me, you don't know more about what tC's are capable of than I do. I've raced my tC going on 4 years now, both on and off of Boost. It does not take 20lbs of boost for a tC to beat ANY of those cars I listed. Only takes about 8-10lbs of boost on a tC. 20lbs of boost on a tC would be in the neighborhood of 450whp.

You did get one part right though...I do own a tC. And who better to give people explanations and experiences about this car, other than someone WITH experience....Unlike yourself, who just look at marketing commercials and think that's what every Scion owner is about. How Lame..

So what you have done to tC vs other car... like 350z? Same hp/tq? Z boosted? tires? breaks? suspensions? weight reduction? It's not an Initial-D world, can't expect a miracles stuff always happen. Gotta have both car's specs & see if both of em are in fair spec. (well ini-d example might of been a bit lame)

[Dimman]

Scion tC. The new SRT-4?

(At least those Neons came with a factory turbo...)

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

What is considered extensive work?

My term of extensive work would be when the car can't pass the emission test. sorry, had to troll.

but seriously, my term of extensive work would be, ECU, Chassis, Engine require custom parts. For an example, exhaust manifold. Like AWD tC exhaust is no way in hell you can buy it any shop. It is custom made for that car. I even count Stand-Alone as extensive work (except re-mapping).

Is that help?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Scion tC. The new SRT-4?

(At least those Neons came with a factory turbo...)

Yeah but every time there was something wrong w the engine (and always is), you gotta spend ridiculous time, swearing, beating and screaming to fix it! I never wanna fix/tune, touch, or see Neon SRT4

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Define what your interpretation of 'neighborhood' is. And the huge list of supporting mods you would need for this to be a correct statement.

Some math for you. 20psi gives a pressure ratio of 2.36:1 So even if you could magically through 100% efficiency transform this into a 2.36:1 density ratio, pushing that through a motor that only makes 160hp stock would equal about 377hp. At the crank. As in, not at the wheels.

So what extensive other mods are needed to hit the 'neighborhood' of 450whp?

The tC puts down at 8lbs (not going to be 8 exactly but more like 8.7) of boost between 280-300whp. This is the 2az we are talking about here. The 2011 tC running the 2.5L 2AR has put down respectfully 320-330whp at the same psi (8lbs).

The torque is going to be the same or slightly higher. So, if you run across a tC with 300whp it will have 300wtq to go with it.

When I was on 7lbs of boost on small Evo III 16G turbo I laid down 250whp/260wtq. Later turned it up to 9-9.5lbs of boost and ran a 13.5 @ 110mph in the 1/4 mile untuned on street tires, stock motor still of course.

Then I swapped that 16G out for a 20G and then increased boost to around 11.5-12lbs of boost. Based on other dyno's and taking into account the size of my turbine (which a 20G is still not large by any standard) est. 310-320whp/330wtq. This again, stock motor. The Stock motor will see 350-400whp before internals begin to fail. There are some that have pushed 400-500whp on a stock motor, but of course no point in that, as it's a ticking time bomb. There is enough boosted tC's out there and data to back up my statements.

15lbs of boost on a tC you can expect 380-400whp (not crank). 20lbs of boost is not 377 crank HP.

This is MY tC at 12lbs of boost on a 20G turbo (2.5 inch exhaust, log manifold, stock motor, upgraded clutch).

In case the vid doesn't show click here:

[u2b]watch?v=Y7PzQ28LaXE[/u2b]

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah but every time there was something wrong w the engine (and always is), you gotta spend ridiculous time, swearing, beating and screaming to fix it! I never wanna fix/tune, touch, or see Neon SRT4

No one should want to touch any Mopar. But my point is that the Scion tC owners seem to share the Neon owners' ability and need to grossly over-state the reality of their cars' performance on the 'net.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

My term of extensive work would be when the car can't pass the emission test. sorry, had to troll.

but seriously, my term of extensive work would be, ECU, Chassis, Engine require custom parts. For an example, exhaust manifold. Like AWD tC exhaust is no way in hell you can buy it any shop. It is custom made for that car. I even count Stand-Alone as extensive work (except re-mapping).

Is that help?

Guess I would be considered extensive work by your definition then, even though I daily drive my tC on the streets and it doesn't have anything on it that a normal street going car would have. Yet I can do this at the race track and this is Without my turbo setup.

In case the vid doesn't show up, click here:

[u2b]watch?v=C4M1n68wELo[/u2b]

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

The tC puts down at 8lbs (not going to be 8 exactly but more like 8.7) of boost between 280-300whp. This is the 2az we are talking about here. The 2011 tC running the 2.5L 2AR has put down respectfully 320-330whp at the same psi (8lbs).

The torque is going to be the same or slightly higher. So, if you run across a tC with 300whp it will have 300wtq to go with it.

When I was on 7lbs of boost on small Evo III 16G turbo I laid down 250whp/260wtq. Later turned it up to 9-9.5lbs of boost and ran a 13.5 @ 110mph in the 1/4 mile untuned on street tires, stock motor still of course.

Then I swapped that 16G out for a 20G and then increased boost to around 11.5-12lbs of boost. Based on other dyno's and taking into account the size of my turbine (which a 20G is still not large by any standard) est. 310-320whp/330wtq. This again, stock motor. The Stock motor will see 350-400whp before internals begin to fail. There are some that have pushed 400-500whp on a stock motor, but of course no point in that, as it's a ticking time bomb. There is enough boosted tC's out there and data to back up my statements.

15lbs of boost on a tC you can expect 380-400whp (not crank). 20lbs of boost is not 377 crank HP.

This is MY tC at 12lbs of boost on a 20G turbo (2.5 inch exhaust, log manifold, stock motor, upgraded clutch).

[u2b]watch?v=Y7PzQ28LaXE[/u2b]

Dyno pic doesn't show. And your drag math doesn't work. 110mph running only 3 more psi than when you made 250whp. Somebody's lying...

Try not to dig yourself to much of a bullshit hole when you explain what you 'really' meant...

[70NYD]

Lol on stock internals.. Learn thermodynamic cycles then talk about it.. 10:1 compression pistons from a stock motor with 8-10 lb boost is similar to having like 15lb boost with 8:1 compression pistons.. It's not all about the intake side.. So much shit comes in to account that you can't possibly even begin to sum it up with just the compressor output pressure..
ANY boost on stock internals with stock compression on a engine that was designed for NA is a ticking time bomb, as it was not engineered for that.. It might run "fine" and "safe" but for how long? How long before your hydrodynamic bearings begin to starve? What about your ehd bearings?
There is a reason why factory fi engines have lower comp, stronger rods and a more balanced lighter crank with better surface finishes in places where needed than na ones

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Lol on stock internals.. Learn thermodynamic cycles then talk about it.. 10:1 compression pistons from a stock motor with 8-10 lb boost is similar to having like 15lb boost with 8:1 compression pistons.. It's not all about the intake side.. So much shit comes in to account that you can't possibly even begin to sum it up with just the compressor output pressure..
ANY boost on stock internals with stock compression on a engine that was designed for NA is a ticking time bomb, as it was not engineered for that.. It might run "fine" and "safe" but for how long? How long before your hydrodynamic bearings begin to starve? What about your ehd bearings?
There is a reason why factory fi engines have lower comp than na ones

Yeah, who would've thought that Toyota saved its ultimate turbo motor design for the Camry...

15psi on the 2AZFE is comparable to 15psi on a 2JZGTE? Amazing. I'm gonna go get a Camry, turbo it and race everything!!!

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

im sorry i dont know what else to reply to that load of gibberish..
one question
is that 8-10lb of boost on STOCK internal compression ratio?
or did you change the compression ratio?


AND FOR FUCK SAKE LEARN TO MULTY QUOTE.. MULTIPLE POSTS ARE SO FUCKING ANNOYING

Stock internals bro. None of my vids are of me on a built motor...because I haven't built one....YET.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

So what you have done to tC vs other car... like 350z? Same hp/tq? Z boosted? tires? breaks? suspensions? weight reduction? It's not an Initial-D world, can't expect a miracles stuff always happen. Gotta have both car's specs & see if both of em are in fair spec. (well ini-d example might of been a bit lame)

My 350z

- Gutted rear
- 6spd trans
- Stage 2 Clutch
- Lightweight flywheel
- Tein S-tech springs
- (forget tires but not stock)
- APS 2.5 test pipes
- K&N drop in filter

Had a Plenum spacer but never got around to installing it. I used my Z mainly for drift events. I did take it to the AutoX a few times. My Z was a 2003 (287hp crank), dynos about 240whp in stock form. My tC at the time I raced the two together, was putting down about 250whp/260wtq. My Z was all stock.

[u2b]watch?v=LhRmudY9Wyw[/u2b]



I have raced the HR 350z as well, and have pulled those (they are more like 300-305hp crank, forget exact number).

And Just an FYI....I Record EVERYTHING I do in terms of racing my tC. I don't need to grossly overstate anything, for who ever wants to take childish shots comparing me to an SRT4 owner.