Hoping this idiot isn't one of you...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ButeraFRS

We do. We can notify police if we want but in the end it's our right to protest. For the most part the police were there protecting the picketers on the lines.

Edited my post, but here you *have* to have a permit to block the road which means public notice and basically police presence. If they were there, they failed HORRIBLY at their jobs.


Everyone involved acted poorly. :shrug:

No they didn't, because the roads are on campus property... The law of your jurisdiction doesn't translate to ours just because it's what happens where you live.

Also chase, if the students don't like it they can move to a country with no unions/strikes, no rights to protest or Freedoms of expression and little to no subsidized educational spheres where they won't have universities to go ballistic at. Or maybe one with a bylaw that restricts all this. And I'd love to see how their quality of life is

This is just as much a part of our country as the unlimited freedom of expression is to yours. Sorry you don't get our way of life.


Edit there is something they can do. And that's what everyone including myself has done is remain patient and leave to class early.

[mav1178]

Let's all pass judgment on the owner of a car by what you see in a short video!

-alex

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ButeraFRS

No they didn't, because the roads are on campus property...

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Think this actually is the catching pint that some do not understand (or know for that matter). The roads are on private property they are not public roads and therefore no permit to block them is necessary.
Even under Canadian law public roads can not be blocked without a permit. Not that it doesn't happen from time to time but it is not legal even for a protest.
http://ccla.org/wordpress/wp-content...klet-Guide.pdf

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ButeraFRS

No they didn't, because the roads are on campus property... The law of your jurisdiction doesn't translate to ours just because it's what happens where you live.

Also chase, if the students don't like it they can move to a country with no unions/strikes, no rights to protest or Freedoms of expression and little to no subsidized educational spheres where they won't have universities to go ballistic at. Or maybe one with a bylaw that restricts all this. And I'd love to see how their quality of life is

This is just as much a part of our country as the unlimited freedom of expression is to yours. Sorry you don't get our way of life.


Edit there is something they can do. And that's what everyone including myself has done is remain patient and leave to class early.

I clearly said "here" multiple times clarifying that I was talking about US laws, not Canadian ones.


Here it would also depend on the university. If truly private, permission would have to be granted to block the road by the university. Still not just allowed at will. To clarify again, that's *HERE*.


Let's avoid the union talk as that makes this political and against the rules of the site.


I'm all for organized, legal and reasonable protests. IMO they should NEVER impede people just passing through. If I care about the subject I can protest FOR or AGAINST it. If I don't care, don't bother me or I will quickly turn against it just because those FOR it are annoying motherfuckers.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by stugray

Ok, please enlighten us to how YOU would handle the situation.
As you can see the guy is blocked by all the cars behind him, so he cant even turn around to go another way.

Hard to believe that with that many cars backed up that the police are not there yet.

Storytime....

I actually had a chance to think through this over the summer when some of the protesters in Cleveland blocked the "Shoreway" (where SR 2 runs north of Cleveland) during their protest of the Furgeson situation. Long story short, they blocked the road for somewhere between 30 and 45 minutes, and then returned to where they were originally protesting. Nobody got hurt, traffic was backed up quite a while, and the police just let them do their thing while gently reminding them that they were blocking a state highway. This was quite ballsy on their part, as the speed limit was 50.

I was not actually caught in this jam, thankfully. I heard about it and detoured around it, so I wasn't actually affected. But I thought about it, and while I was all initially "I'll just nudge those idiots aside," the more I thought about it, the more I realized I'd sit there, I'd be pissed, but I'd give them their time just like I hope they would give me mine were I as passionate about whatever subject I decided to protest about. And, as I mentioned, they only blocked the road for less than an hour, so its not like I would have been stuck there all night.

Was it illegal? Yeah, but at least peaceful. Should I have taken the law into my hands because I would have been inconvenienced? Hell no, its not my job or yours (unless you are a cop) to enforce the laws, just to obey them.

[acro]

The guy did nothing wrong really imho. He wanted to go home. They blocked the road. He removed the barrier and drove on his way despite being verbally abused by the protesters. ( he responded accordingly and cursed as well)

Even when the jackass hit his car. He didn't retaliate with force. (she should be prosecuted btw) I say he did well.

The protesters where being asses.

[acro]

I hope the idiot you talked about was the lady who hit the guys car

In that case ignore all that I said

[Special_K]

I have no idea who is who, or what this is over, but to me it looks like everyone is overreacting... Honestly, I'm really just curious for what reason they were blocking fellow students? Shit, when I was a student I was broke as hell, and operated on very limited time. So if another student got between me and my education, I'd kindly ask them to either move the phuck aside or be moved aside.

Is this like a legitimate and organized picket, or disgruntled students/employees? IIRC picketers cannot detain you longer than asking you to not cross the line. Maybe things are different north of the border.

[Koa]

OP sucks that you think this guy's the idiot here..

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Given that it's illegal for them to block the road that'll be a hard sell.... as long as you aren't violent about it you are doing nothing wrong by moving the barrier yourself.

Except that removing a barrier "peacefully" and intentionally running over people with your car are two separate things. What you are getting at is very roughly equivalent to if you hit a jaywalker and plead not guilty because "the guy was in the road illegally." It doesn't matter. Yes, the guy should not have been in the road, but you are still driving a 1.5 ton battering ram. The offenses are not offsetting.

Originally Posted by stugray

The Audio was poor, but I never heard anyone tell him that they would only make him wait 5 minutes.
Most of the exchange is the black guy getting right up in his face saying "What you gonna Do?".
To me them's fightin words, and I would not just calmly get back in my car and wait.
I would tell him "I will remove your barrier and if you attempt to illegally block my car again, I will consider it false imprisonment and will act accordingly by running your ass over"

I doubt you would be that calm--If you even got out of your car. See my post above, everyone has something they feel passionate enough about that they will protest for or against it, depending on their views. If you, or the group you protested with decided to block a street during that protest, would you be upset if someone flipped out and threatened to run you over?

[chas3wba0]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

If you, or the group you protested with decided to block a street during that protest, would you be upset if someone flipped out and threatened to run you over?

I know you weren't talking to me but:

(1) I would not decide to block a street during a protest. That's just rude and silly.
(2) Disregarding (1), of course I'd be upset if someone threatened to run me over, but in hindsight it would always lead back to "why the hell was I sitting in the middle of the road blocking traffic? Oh, that's right... Protest! Passion for a cause!"

In other words... there are far more productive and less annoying ways to make a point, let alone a change. Not saying I always get around to changing things in the world that I don't like, but I don't plant my ass in the middle of the tarmac and cross my arms, expecting someone else to hand it to me.

Conclusion: I still think those strikers did more than enough to provoke this incident.

[Tcoat]

OK lets make some things clear!
This is not a "protest" this is a strike. All that they want is more money for themselves (I am not going to voice whether I think it is right or wrong) and their only "passion" is "give me more". Like many strikes this one is turning nasty quickly.


It is not legal to block a public street (with out a permit) for a protest, strike or any other purpose in Canada PERIOD. I have to assume that they are on the campus in which case they could be charged with trespassing and removed if the University so wished.


We have no idea what happened before the video started. There could have been a shit load of stuff that went down for the guy to snap or he could have caused something that made the strikers to act the way they did. We don't know so picking sides is sort of premature.

[Eski]

@Tcoat for the win. argument over.