S2000 vs 86 - 3 Years Development Later - Page 3 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

CSG Mike · 03-11-2015, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by juliog

Has anyone run sub-2 on an NA, street tire, non-aero twin yet? Fastest time for S2K in that configuration seems to be 1:59.xx.

Yes...

EAGLE5 · 03-11-2015, 04:00 PM

For the record, if I wanted a 2-seat, track-mostly car, I'd go for a Z06, Cayman, or Elise. I really compare the twins to 2+2s.

burdickjp · 03-11-2015, 04:05 PM

What made me sell my MR2 and buy my AE86, and subsequently my FR-S, was the ability to put wheels, jack, tools, grill, and cooler in the car, drive anywhere in comfort, track it, and drive home.
You have to balance where it will spend most of its time against its intention. For me that meant a comfortable car with room to carry things so that I can get to the track.

FRSfan111 · 03-11-2015, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bur****jp

What made me sell my MR2 and buy my AE86, and subsequently my FR-S, was the ability to put wheels, jack, tools, grill, and cooler in the car, drive anywhere in comfort, track it, and drive home.
You have to balance where it will spend most of its time against its intention. For me that meant a comfortable car with room to carry things so that I can get to the track.

3 years of hpde and never once thought to bring a mini grill and bbq.. Mind is blown!

kvnchu · 03-11-2015, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Yes...

When did this happen?

Was there video and who was driving?

CSG Mike · 03-11-2015, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kvnchu

When did this happen?

Was there video and who was driving?

2012, no public video, and me.

225 RS3, RPF1 17x8, AP Racing Sprint, SRC V2.

No tune, no oil cooler.

burdickjp · 03-12-2015, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FRSfan111

3 years of hpde and never once thought to bring a mini grill and bbq.. Mind is blown!

I can fire the grill, cook a bag of hotdogs, distribute them, consume them, and put the grill away in the 30min between runs.

donutfilling · 03-18-2015, 01:51 AM

Hey Kevin! Been a while,

Anyways, I'd go with your own gut instinct in which you have enjoyed more. You've had more seat time and skill in these things than the majority of the general forum. Although the FRS now has way more tiny little improvements and quality offerings from the aftermarket it is not a worlds of difference. The DI seals no longer blowing up after a tune seems to be the biggest difference and I know that is what kept you away for a while. Either way the s2000 motor is still more reliable imo.

Put it this way, Ted, Julio, and I have started with 86 cup and were heavy into it. The 3 of us now have s2000s... I am currently helping another 86cup competitor find a s2000.

Also keep in mind though that the frs is due for a refresh pretty soon and who knows what that is to bring..

juliog · 03-18-2015, 03:52 AM

While I love driving the S2000 with the top down in warm weather, I'd still pick the FRS/BRZ if I could only have one car, it's so much more practical and civilized IMHO

Sent from my iPotato

53Driver · 03-19-2015, 05:58 PM

I had a 2004 S2000 for about 2 years (with OEM hardtop) and now I've owned my 2013 FR-S for a little over a year. IMO, one could definitely argue that the FR-S/BRZ is more "civilized" for DD. With that being said, I'm seriously considering going back to an S2000. I really miss that car and I hate ragtops so that's saying a lot. The hard part these days is finding a well kept, decent mileage S without the price being above 20K.

zzang · 03-30-2015, 03:39 PM

Hey! I bought the perrin cat back from you back in 2013? which is actually up FS now... because I actually just got myself an ap1. Going to keep my brz for a couple more months to put it to track duty a couple times before I let it go, but during the past month I've had the ap1 now, I must say that the car is much more engaging and fun. By all means, I'm no expert, but the brz just feels a little numb, at least straight out of the box. I know a few tweaks could make the difference, but stock for stock, the s2000 just feels much more fun. I'm sure you can attest to this given you've had both platforms as well.

Daily driveability, the only thing I miss is the foldable rear seats, but the depth of the trunk in the s2k makes up for that!

Lonewolf · 04-01-2015, 03:41 PM

With the rate of all the members dumping their twins for s2000's we may as well put a sticky on the first page of the forum telling everyone to just go buy an s2000 instead....

ddeflyer · 04-01-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf

With the rate of all the members dumping their twins for s2000's we may as well put a sticky on the first page of the forum telling everyone to just go buy an s2000 instead....

Wait, what about (spec) miatas! :-D

King Tut · 04-01-2015, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ddeflyer

Wait, what about (spec) miatas! :-D

Nobody wants those. What about SpecE30?

03-18-2015, 01:51 AM	#36
donutfilling Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: frs Location: LA Posts: 319 Thanks: 55 Thanked 75 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hey Kevin! Been a while, Anyways, I'd go with your own gut instinct in which you have enjoyed more. You've had more seat time and skill in these things than the majority of the general forum. Although the FRS now has way more tiny little improvements and quality offerings from the aftermarket it is not a worlds of difference. The DI seals no longer blowing up after a tune seems to be the biggest difference and I know that is what kept you away for a while. Either way the s2000 motor is still more reliable imo. Put it this way, Ted, Julio, and I have started with 86 cup and were heavy into it. The 3 of us now have s2000s... I am currently helping another 86cup competitor find a s2000. Also keep in mind though that the frs is due for a refresh pretty soon and who knows what that is to bring.. Last edited by donutfilling; 03-18-2015 at 02:03 AM.

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zzang Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: s2k Location: LA Posts: 65 Thanks: 11 Thanked 27 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hey! I bought the perrin cat back from you back in 2013? which is actually up FS now... because I actually just got myself an ap1. Going to keep my brz for a couple more months to put it to track duty a couple times before I let it go, but during the past month I've had the ap1 now, I must say that the car is much more engaging and fun. By all means, I'm no expert, but the brz just feels a little numb, at least straight out of the box. I know a few tweaks could make the difference, but stock for stock, the s2000 just feels much more fun. I'm sure you can attest to this given you've had both platforms as well. Daily driveability, the only thing I miss is the foldable rear seats, but the depth of the trunk in the s2k makes up for that!

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