2015 WRX vs. FR-S/BRZ

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx

-More special feeling (WRX feels like econobox w/ turbo, BRZ feels like supercar w/ less power).

Have you driven a super car before? I have on multiple occasions, and the twins felt nothing like that at all, even if you give it more power.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Have you driven a super car before? I have on multiple occasions, and the twins felt nothing like that at all, even if you give it more power.

Highly doubt most folks on this forum have. There's maybe a handful of these select folks on this place.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx

-Better handling out of the box than the WRX will ever have, no matter how much $$$ you throw at it

I suppose but that's a contradicting statement. It's the best stock no matter how much you modify them? Not even sure what that means but I'll agree the FRS is the better performance oriented platform.



-BRZ looks like a C7 vette, WRX looks like a Camry

Styling is subjective but I'll agree the BRZ looks better. Looks like a C7 though? Can you pass that blunt you're smoking? Besides the fact they're both coupes, there are no similarities at all. The fact that the Vette has like 3ft more of tire competed to the crap donut sized tires of the BRZ is enough. I've never met a person who said DANG check out that c7 ve... I mean BRZ.



-Better interior (nicer materials, lower seating position, more natural placement for shifter + steering wheel, better sound system, better seats)

Nicer materials? Better sound system? They're pretty much the same except the wrx offers Harmon Kardon audio which is quite better than the BRZ unit. As far as interior materials go, all of it's pretty much the same. Add to that the wrx steering wheel is way better than the FRS one (see threads of people having issues with the material on their FRS wheel going to shit).



-MUCH more fun when not accelerating (I swear, I've never driven another car that's fun with cruise control set)

Fun is a subjective term but cruise control is fun? Whatever floats your boat.


-More special feeling (WRX feels like econobox w/ turbo, BRZ feels like supercar w/ less power)

Supercar? What Supercar are you talking about? It feels like a 25k sports coupe.... Wrx is definitely an Eco box with a turbo but maybe there's a special feeling about having a 4 door car that's practical and outperforms cars costing much more.



-Smoother power delivery

Yeah cause that massive torque dip smack dab in the mid range is super smooth.. Power curve on the wrx is pretty damn linear.



-More opportunities to hoon safely

Right cause hooning a light RWD car is much safer than hooning a planted AWD one.


-Much better shifter

Can't argue there



-RWD (more fun than AWD 9/12 months)

I can agree there in most cases

Again, these are just my opinions. Drive both, whichever one speaks to you, that's the one you should get.

God people overhype the shit out of these cars don't they?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Yeah, it's almost embarrassing. Close to the scale of the "VTEC! Oh shit that's fast" crowd.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Yeah, it's almost embarrassing. Close to the scale of the "VTEC! Oh shit that's fast" crowd.

Don't get me wrong, the FRS/BRZ is a good car. For the money, there isn't really anything that compares in terms of RWD coupes (However, the new mustang EcoBoost is probably going to start stealing the spotlight quite a bit in that market).

I've owned mine for 2 years and enjoyed it. It was fun to play with. BUT it's definitely not the greatest thing in the world. There are better cars out there and cars that do certain things better. Price points aren't always the same in some instances, but it makes me laugh when people compare these cars to cars that are nearly 3 or 4 times as much and they pretty much dismiss that car entirely, saying the Toyobaru is so much better.

It's comical.

I traded a 2012 WRX that I owned for a year for an FRS. I still say to this day, throughout my entire FRS ownership experience, that the WRX is without a doubt, the better all around car. No comparison. The end. Anybody that says otherwise is just out of their mind and needs to be evaluated. The FRS is a niche car for a niche buyer. It's a very appealing car for that niche buyer, but it's still a niche car. So why did I trade my WRX if it was so much better? Because I specifically wanted to get another RWD lightweight coupe. Something that a niche car, like the FRS, had to offer.

A large majority of people looking for to buy a vehicle want the most for the money. When you're talking about a performance vehicle, this still stands true. For $25,000, there are quite a few cars that offer more bang for buck that can be statistically shown (not the "feeling" of something). So, for $25,000-$30,000, you see people choose other cars like:

Civic Si
GTI
WRX
Focus ST
Mustang Ecoboost

A typical buyer who goes shopping for a 25k-ish car goes from one dealership to another. He sees the BRZ for about $28,000 at a Subaru dealership and wants to test drive it. He likes it. It's a bit small, and not very fast, but he likes it. He then looks at a WRX for $26,000 at the same lot and drives it. He likes it as well. It's more spacious, more usable, and is quite a bit faster..all for a cheaper price. Chances are, the buyer would opt for the WRX unless they SPECIFICALLY wanted what the BRZ had to offer.

If you're just looking for a 25k-ish car that offers a good level of performance, there are realistically quite a few better options.






ft86club: brainwashing BRZ and FRS owners since 2012.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Don't get me wrong, the FRS/BRZ is a good car. For the money, there isn't really anything that compares in terms of RWD coupes (However, the new mustang EcoBoost is probably going to start stealing the spotlight quite a bit in that market).

I've owned mine for 2 years and enjoyed it. It was fun to play with. BUT it's definitely not the greatest thing in the world. There are better cars out there and cars that do certain things better. Price points aren't always the same in some instances, but it makes me laugh when people compare these cars to cars that are nearly 3 or 4 times as much and they pretty much dismiss that car entirely, saying the Toyobaru is so much better.

It's comical.

I traded a 2012 WRX that I owned for a year for an FRS. I still say to this day, throughout my entire FRS ownership experience, that the WRX is without a doubt, the better all around car. No comparison. The end. Anybody that says otherwise is just out of their mind and needs to be evaluated. The FRS is a niche car for a niche buyer. It's a very appealing car for that niche buyer, but it's still a niche car. So why did I trade my WRX if it was so much better? Because I specifically wanted to get another RWD lightweight coupe. Something that a niche car, like the FRS, had to offer.

A large majority of people looking for to buy a vehicle want the most for the money. When you're talking about a performance vehicle, this still stands true. For $25,000, there are quite a few cars that offer more bang for buck that can be statistically shown (not the "feeling" of something). So, for $25,000-$30,000, you see people choose other cars like:

Civic Si
GTI
WRX
Focus ST
Mustang Ecoboost

A typical buyer who goes shopping for a 25k-ish car goes from one dealership to another. He sees the BRZ for about $28,000 at a Subaru dealership and wants to test drive it. He likes it. It's a bit small, and not very fast, but he likes it. He then looks at a WRX for $26,000 at the same lot and drives it. He likes it as well. It's more spacious, more usable, and is quite a bit faster..all for a cheaper price. Chances are, the buyer would opt for the WRX unless they SPECIFICALLY wanted what the BRZ had to offer.

If you're just looking for a 25k-ish car that offers a good level of performance, there are realistically quite a few better options.






ft86club: brainwashing BRZ and FRS owners since 2012.

The ecoboost is the only car on that list that can even begin to be compared. All the others are ugly as sin or FWD... get the hell out of here with that crap...

Jaden

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Don't get me wrong, the FRS/BRZ is a good car. For the money, there isn't really anything that compares in terms of RWD coupes (However, the new mustang EcoBoost is probably going to start stealing the spotlight quite a bit in that market).

I've owned mine for 2 years and enjoyed it. It was fun to play with. BUT it's definitely not the greatest thing in the world. There are better cars out there and cars that do certain things better. Price points aren't always the same in some instances, but it makes me laugh when people compare these cars to cars that are nearly 3 or 4 times as much and they pretty much dismiss that car entirely, saying the Toyobaru is so much better.

It's comical.

I traded a 2012 WRX that I owned for a year for an FRS. I still say to this day, throughout my entire FRS ownership experience, that the WRX is without a doubt, the better all around car. No comparison. The end. Anybody that says otherwise is just out of their mind and needs to be evaluated. The FRS is a niche car for a niche buyer. It's a very appealing car for that niche buyer, but it's still a niche car. So why did I trade my WRX if it was so much better? Because I specifically wanted to get another RWD lightweight coupe. Something that a niche car, like the FRS, had to offer.

A large majority of people looking for to buy a vehicle want the most for the money. When you're talking about a performance vehicle, this still stands true. For $25,000, there are quite a few cars that offer more bang for buck that can be statistically shown (not the "feeling" of something). So, for $25,000-$30,000, you see people choose other cars like:

Civic Si
GTI
WRX
Focus ST
Mustang Ecoboost

A typical buyer who goes shopping for a 25k-ish car goes from one dealership to another. He sees the BRZ for about $28,000 at a Subaru dealership and wants to test drive it. He likes it. It's a bit small, and not very fast, but he likes it. He then looks at a WRX for $26,000 at the same lot and drives it. He likes it as well. It's more spacious, more usable, and is quite a bit faster..all for a cheaper price. Chances are, the buyer would opt for the WRX unless they SPECIFICALLY wanted what the BRZ had to offer.

If you're just looking for a 25k-ish car that offers a good level of performance, there are realistically quite a few better options.






ft86club: brainwashing BRZ and FRS owners since 2012.

Its obvious that if you want a stop light to stop light racer, the twins are not the car for you. This has been stated over and over and over again. YOU obviously bought the wrong car.

The cars you listed do not compare to the twins, except for the eco-boost mustang. I am not saying those cars are fun in their own right, but other than the mustang none of those listed cars can provide the same sort of performance as a twin.

The metric you are using is 0-60s and quarter mile.

Edit:
Unfortunately, 1/4 mile times and 0-60 sprints seem to be the only metric anyone really cares about.

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Its obvious that if you want a stop light to stop light racer, the twins are not the car for you. This has been stated over and over and over again. YOU obviously bought the wrong car.

The cars you listed do not compare to the twins, except for the eco-boost mustang. I am not saying those cars are fun in their own right, but other than the mustang none of those listed cars can provide the same sort of performance as a twin.

The metric you are using is 0-60s and quarter mile.

Edit:
Unfortunately, 1/4 mile times and 0-60 sprints seem to be the only metric anyone really cares about.

All the cars listed are a lot more car than the 86. The 86 is a one trick pony, and it's only mediocre at that trick.

As far as handling, I've never been more disappointed with how a car has felt on The Tail than I was with the FRS. It feels as exciting as making a yellow light.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Jaden

The ecoboost is the only car on that list that can even begin to be compared. All the others are ugly as sin or FWD... get the hell out of here with that crap...

Jaden

Styling is still subjective but whatever works for you I guess.

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Its obvious that if you want a stop light to stop light racer, the twins are not the car for you. This has been stated over and over and over again. YOU obviously bought the wrong car.

The cars you listed do not compare to the twins, except for the eco-boost mustang. I am not saying those cars are fun in their own right, but other than the mustang none of those listed cars can provide the same sort of performance as a twin.

The metric you are using is 0-60s and quarter mile.

Edit:
Unfortunately, 1/4 mile times and 0-60 sprints seem to be the only metric anyone really cares about.

I didn't buy the wrong car. I bought the right car for exactly what I wanted. Now I'm at the point where I want something different, something my current car doesn't offer.

Yet again, more people completely missing the point.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by xxBrun0xx

I think this is really a matter of perspective. I would say, for me, the BRZ offers much more than the WRX for the same price. It has:

-Better handling out of the box than the WRX will ever have, no matter how much $$$ you throw at it
-BRZ looks like a C7 vette, WRX looks like a Camry
-Better interior (nicer materials, lower seating position, more natural placement for shifter + steering wheel, better sound system, better seats)
-MUCH more fun when not accelerating (I swear, I've never driven another car that's fun with cruise control set)
-More special feeling (WRX feels like econobox w/ turbo, BRZ feels like supercar w/ less power)
-Smoother power delivery
-More opportunities to hoon safely
-Much better shifter
-RWD (more fun than AWD 9/12 months)

Again, these are just my opinions. Drive both, whichever one speaks to you, that's the one you should get.

The CSG WRX has something to say about that...

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

All the cars listed are a lot more car than the 86. The 86 is a one trick pony, and it's only mediocre at that trick.

As far as handling, I've never been more disappointed with how a car has felt on The Tail than I was with the FRS. It feels as exciting as making a yellow light.

The 86 is a one trick pony that is mediocre at something NONE of the cars other than the Mustang can do.

Just say you want a 0-60 car and be done with it. It's okay, no one will judge you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Styling is still subjective but whatever works for you I guess.



I didn't buy the wrong car. I bought the right car for exactly what I wanted. Now I'm at the point where I want something different, something my current car doesn't offer.

Yet again, more people completely missing the point.

And yet again you have appointed yourself the expert on what all people should want and like.
Totally agree that the FRS is a niche car but comparing it too the others and saying they are better "end of story" is doing exactly what you are pissed at others about. Apply your own opinion to anything you want but if you are going to say your opinion is the only right one then stop shooting off you mouth that others feel the same way about theirs.
There are better cars and there are worse cars and opinions on them vary that does not make it "brain washing". Just because some people get a tad overzealous about their cars does not deem you their superior and allow you to pass judgement on them.
I may spend some quality time and go back through the forum and find at what point you became a bitter, disillusioned, anti Twin spokesman.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The CSG WRX has something to say about that...

LOL The CSG WRX barely qualifies as a "WRX" in more than name and basic body shape anymore I am sure!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL The CSG WRX barely qualifies as a "WRX" in more than name and basic body shape anymore I am sure!

It doesn't even have power adders.... yet.... just some suspension pieces and a rear differential.

Oh, and it rotates (but not enough to require countersteer) under power as it sits.

The BRZ/FRS's saving grace against the WRX is its weight. If the WRX were pared down to the twins' weight, game over.