Quiet FI

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by #maverick#

Im right though. The avo kit as well as the SBD come with turbos good for 275-300 horsepower. Especially for the price. Throw 500 more on top of the avo kit's price and buy P&Ls kit with room for more power.
Like I said I didnt see the part where OP only wants 270-300 horsepower. I apologized for that.

Also makes "great power" is subjective just because you feel its great power someone else might not feel the same.

There are AVO kits making 400 WHP and over 300WTQ. sorry, but keeping up with porsche's and vettes is great

[FirestormFRS]

Originally Posted by #maverick#

Im right though. The avo kit as well as the SBD come with turbos good for 275-300 horsepower. Especially for the price. Throw 500 more on top of the avo kit's price and buy P&Ls kit with room for more power.
Like I said I didnt see the part where OP only wants 270-300 horsepower. I apologized for that.

Also makes "great power" is subjective just because you feel its great power someone else might not feel the same.

Most "right" people don't retract and apologize for things they say/type.

Just keeping it real bruh!

[AVOturboworld]

I think the confusion stems from the fact that our kit is so driveable on 91-93 octane pump gas, most owners are running pump gas. So most of the dyno charts that are posted, are in the 250-300whp range because they are just running on whatever comes out of the pump down the street.

It bears repeating that any FI kit on the market is going to be in that 250-320whp range at maximum when running on pump gas. This just has to do with limits determined by detonation, and going larger on the turbocharger or blower doesn't magically push you past those limitations.

The turbocharger on our base kit has been pushed out to 420whp on e85, similar to many other kits when run on e85. e85 is great for making power, and if you have it available and wish to run on it full-time, go for it. But you don't have to to enjoy our kit, as we concentrated on a high-response setup where torque comes in quick and smooth. It's as close to a factory turbo kit setup as you are going to find (without going to a smaller turbo!).

In fact, here is an example of a standard 2015 WRX with the bottom mount setup that ours is designed after, vs our kit with it's "small" turbocharger. As you can see, the WRX comes in fast and strong, but doesn't have the top end we have - that's small vs. large turbocharger right there.

[kanundrum]

Originally Posted by mkivsoopra

I have the PTuning turbo kit with JDL UEL header and Milltek non-resonated exhaust. It's not much louder than stock... I registered 93db at Laguna Seca going WOT uphill in the upper RPM range. The kit comes with a Turbosmart BOV which is not loud either.

2nd This, I in fact thing my car is too quiet at some times and I have a Uncatted Equal length header. I have done several hundred mile trips with the car and have had 0 issues with cabin noise (I also have no interior) which shows how quiet this kit is.

[mkivsoopra]

Originally Posted by kanundrum

2nd This, I in fact thing my car is too quiet at some times and I have a Uncatted Equal length header. I have done several hundred mile trips with the car and have had 0 issues with cabin noise (I also have no interior) which shows how quiet this kit is.

+1 My car is actually too quite now, but that's what I need to do to run at Laguna Seca. When in non-Laguna Seca mode, I use the PTuning 3" catback, and even that's not that loud.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

That's not what you said - and I quote...



So you don't have any experience with ANY of these kits, don't have yours boosted but yet you have a right to an opinion based on hearsay? And all the other kits make more power? Based on ... hearsay too or do you have proof? Apples to apples comparo or 92 Octane vs E85?

Nice to be accountable and talk smack without repercussion.

DO holding it down

[ModBargains.com]

Vortech kit is pretty quiet as well, the V3SI blower they use on that kit I have on my car and I can barely hear it until I actually get on it, but it will still be a lot more quiet than a turbo kit when you hear boost spool up. I'd consider that a good option but the Vortech kit just the way it comes with the complete kit will get you just under 300HP at the crank.

PM me if you have any questions on it, but that's another one to throw in the mix.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by #maverick#

Get the avo kit if you own a flat grinder and dont like power.

I recommend you look at Ptuning, Rev Works, RP, FBM or P&L. Or SBD if you want a cheaper option. There are ways to keep it quiet, stock exhaust, get a recirculating BOV, dont run an Open Wastegate, don't limit your kit selection just by how much noise it makes.

Don't back down bro. Fight the good fight. While the horsepower argument has been made, the fact remains that many if not the majority of AVO kit owners have had manifold sealing issues. That issue with the kit needs to be presented to people that are potentially looking to purchase it.

[raven1231]

get a turbonator

[#maverick#]

Originally Posted by King Tut

Don't back down bro. Fight the good fight. While the horsepower argument has been made, the fact remains that many if not the majority of AVO kit owners have had manifold sealing issues. That issue with the kit needs to be presented to people that are potentially looking to purchase it.

Thanks for the back up. I worded it wrongly people took offense. I won't continue the argument personally because I havent personally owned the AVO kit. Like I said OP should do his own research as I and other boosted owners have and not let how quiet a kit is be the limiting factor.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by King Tut

..the fact remains that many if not the majority of AVO kit owners have had manifold sealing issues. That issue with the kit needs to be presented to people that are potentially looking to purchase it.

Fact eh? Let's see you back that up?

Majority of AVO kit owners. 250 sold worldwide. So more than 126 kit owners have complained? Can you give me a list of these 126 said kit owners, who make a "majority."

How many here are voicing that sentiment? Or the one persistent guy who was out to sell someone else's kit after a botched installation? I'm curious - of that breakdown, how many were done at home, in their driveway or at a professional shop with experience?

Do you have those numbers King Tut?

#Let's Dance


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

Fact eh? Let's see you back that up?

Majority of AVO kit owners. 250 sold worldwide. So more than 126 kit owners have complained? Can you give me a list of these 126 said kit owners, who make a "majority."

How many here are voicing that sentiment? Or the one persistent guy who was out to sell someone else's kit after a botched installation? I'm curious - of that breakdown, how many were done at home, in their driveway or at a professional shop with experience?

Do you have those numbers King Tut?

#Let's Dance

Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

I don't mind dancing Bob, but let's not change the song and put words in my mouth that were never sung. I know the AVO proponents love to blame the leaks on improper installation or used gaskets or too thick of gaskets. I could compile a list of all the AVO owners on FT86Club that have had the issue if you would like, but I don't think that gets us anywhere. The fact is that many have had leak issues. The OP can start in the AVO owner's thread to see the evidence:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...highlight=leak

I made it so it would even highlight leak for him. I don't know what owner you are referring to in your post. @Sportsguy83 ?

[Drift-Office]

KT :

Here's my opener ~ FACT

25 AVO kits sold, installed and tuned here at my facility between late 2013 - end 2014. ZERO manifold leaking issues that you prescribe.

4 additional AVO kits sold thru AVO themselves to out of state customers, as recent as of last week and 2 more AVO kits sold thru myself overseas to people who were self installers and or shops who have NEVER done an FA20 turbo kit before, and all were locally tuned by myself without issue or "leaks" whatsoever.

All this based on my own first-hand experience. Do you see 16 of my customers complaining of manifold leaks? Here, FB, elsewhere?

Your turn. What was your first-hand experience with the AVO and where were the other 125 complaints that you speak of?


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by King Tut

I don't mind dancing Bob, but let's not change the song and put words in my mouth that were never sung.

Originally Posted by King Tut

Don't back down bro. Fight the good fight. While the horsepower argument has been made, the fact remains that many if not the majority of AVO kit owners have had manifold sealing issues. That issue with the kit needs to be presented to people that are potentially looking to purchase it.

^^^ I haven't put any words in your mouth, just quoted what you posted above. You used the word, and I quote - "fact."

Originally Posted by King Tut

I know the AVO proponents love to blame the leaks on improper installation or used gaskets or too thick of gaskets.

Incidentally, I have never once used anything but new OEM Subaru Gaskets.

Originally Posted by King Tut

I could compile a list of all the AVO owners on FT86Club that have had the issue if you would like,

You started it with this "majority" thing, so it's up to you to back it up. I'm just asking for your side of the "story."

Originally Posted by King Tut

But I don't think that gets us anywhere. The fact is that many have had leak issues. The OP can start in the AVO owner's thread to see the evidence:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...highlight=leak

I made it so it would even highlight leak for him. I don't know what owner you are referring to in your post. @Sportsguy83 ?

I'll go look it over now, but assume worst case, that's 1. 125 more to go?


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC