FI Reliability

[Koa]

Originally Posted by themajesticone

To this point - I completely agree, which is why I was saving for one single payment. I am currently fiscally in good standing, just got converted to full-time so I know I will be at this company for at least 2 years - so I am good there but at the same time, monthly payments is less headache in general you know.

fully agree there- time value of money alone states that you're getting more for your buck by spreading the cash out over the course of the loan period.

The financing entity knows this, and if it's in-house, they'll pass that benefit on to you in order to book a sale. Scratch your back, you scratch mine kinda thing

[JesseE]

I have that same kit, and I have put over 11k miles on it... ran almost 10k on 91 octane... last 1500 or so on e85...




Not broke yet :-) having lots of fun.


You do have to understand cars are cars and anytime your dealing with boosting a car or racing in general... you have to pay to play. if you can pay then you can play, and if shit breaks... which everything will... just man up and fix it.


It is most definitely worth the money, I have spent more time boosted than not and I would have never bought a fr-s without boosting it... it's just to damn slow to have the kind of fun I want to have in it.

Originally Posted by pheonixone

Hey everyone!

So I'm looking at buying an innovative supercharger kit and have one real concern.

Is it going to ruin my car?

I've never done forced induction on a my own car so I don't know how it will affect the reliability of it. This innovative kit is only supposed run at 7psi and provide only moderate gains. And honestly that's all I want. Just get rid of the giant power gap and get a bit of extra pull.

I've done a catback exhaust system (nvidia) and that's it. Has this kit been good to everyone? And have any motors been blown up from it?

Any help is much appreciated!!!

[themajesticone]

Originally Posted by Koa

fully agree there- time value of money alone states that you're getting more for your buck by spreading the cash out over the course of the loan period.

The financing entity knows this, and if it's in-house, they'll pass that benefit on to you in order to book a sale. Scratch your back, you scratch mine kinda thing

That is pretty badass. I may end up reaching out and inquiring some shops in California in that case. I have my eye on Jackson Racing Kit or the SBD turbo. The Jackson Racing kit seems more attainable in a non-invasive way if the shops I reach out to will allow 12 month financing. I would prefer a Supercharger but I tossed up the idea of the SBD turbo because of its price, but I like the simplicity and dependability of the jackson rotrex way more when it comes down to it. Thanks a lot for your feedback!

[Koa]

Originally Posted by themajesticone

That is pretty badass. I may end up reaching out and inquiring some shops in California in that case. I have my eye on Jackson Racing Kit or the SBD turbo. The Jackson Racing kit seems more attainable in a non-invasive way if the shops I reach out to will allow 12 month financing. I would prefer a Supercharger but I tossed up the idea of the SBD turbo because of its price, but I like the simplicity and dependability of the jackson rotrex way more when it comes down to it. Thanks a lot for your feedback!

once you go turbo you never go back, though.

There's a reason a turbo's full name is the "turbo supercharger". It's a more efficient, load dependant system.

I wouldn't discount a great turbo kit. JRSC is awesome, simpler (less costly), and trial tested for what it's worth, tho.

[martinEZ]

What about the wear and tear that FI could have during the car's break in process? I recently lost my NA automatic '13 BaeRZ to a careless driver, total loss, and while I save for another one I've been flirting with the idea of going FI as soon as I get it. Being a follower of the "drive it like you want it to drive" school of breaking in engines, does anyone have experience with poor seals/piston seating, or am I just overly-paranoid?

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Koa

fully agree there- time value of money alone states that you're getting more for your buck by spreading the cash out over the course of the loan period.

The financing entity knows this, and if it's in-house, they'll pass that benefit on to you in order to book a sale. Scratch your back, you scratch mine kinda thing

Not picking a fight with you based on any history, this is a pet peeve of mine...

Financing a turbo kit. While what you say is technically true, this is reckless consumerism. Really terrible advice unless the OP is in such a place where he has at least $4000 in cash burning a hole in his pocket and would rather secure a 0% credit line spread over 12 months while allowing some portion of the $4000 to earn interest in a safe place. Is ~$150 in interest worth the ridiculous penalties most of these loans come attached with should you not pay in the 12 months agreed upon? At 28% interest backdated to the start of the loan, you would owe an additional $632 at 1 year and 1 day and the interest starts to roll over from there. This is how most 1 year 0% consumer loans and credit cards trap stupid/unlucky people.

Just don't do it. Be responsible and save up and buy the kit cash. This isn't something you need. Things like FI kits tend to get expensive really fast if something goes wrong. If you don't even have the cash to buy the kit to begin with, how are you going to afford to fix something that breaks? If nothing else, make sure to read all the fine print and see if exactly what happens if you don't pay the loan off in 1 year. Almost all loans like this aren't handled in house, they are farmed out to a partner bank which will have a structure exactly like I described.

[FirestormFRS]

Originally Posted by industrial

Not picking a fight with you based on any history, this is a pet peeve of mine...

$4000 to earn interest in a safe place. Is ~$150 in interest worth the ridiculous penalties most of these loans come attached with should you not pay in the 12 months agreed upon?.

You mean $15 right? Cash is worthless to hold onto at this point in time.

[martinEZ]

Originally Posted by martinEZ

What about the wear and tear that FI could have during the car's break in process? I recently lost my NA automatic '13 BaeRZ to a careless driver, total loss, and while I save for another one I've been flirting with the idea of going FI as soon as I get it. Being a follower of the "drive it like you want it to drive" school of breaking in engines, does anyone have experience with poor seals/piston seating, or am I just overly-paranoid?

Anybody?

[cnk]

Originally Posted by martinEZ

What about the wear and tear that FI could have during the car's break in process? I recently lost my NA automatic '13 BaeRZ to a careless driver, total loss, and while I save for another one I've been flirting with the idea of going FI as soon as I get it. Being a follower of the "drive it like you want it to drive" school of breaking in engines, does anyone have experience with poor seals/piston seating, or am I just overly-paranoid?

Personally, I would hold off on any major mods like FI until after break-in. That way, if you do have any issues with the car, there won't be any issues getting warranty work. Unless you have the funds to cover any potential issues that may arise, I would just be patient. I've had my BRZ for almost 3 years now and only now am I thinking about maybe going FI. I've wanted to sooner, but didn't want to risk any issues with warranty. I've done the same thing with all my previous cars. You've already paid for that warranty when you bought the car so you might as well take advantage of it.

Every car is different so you have to keep that in mind. There are those that have gone FI immediately and have had no issues. Then there are those that have left everything stock and had major issues. You need to decide for yourself how much risk you're willing to take.

[jwvand02]

Originally Posted by Chad86

I'm in the same boat on this! The Moto East group buy ends today on the Innovate kits and I was tempted to go with the 335 on a non built engine, but now I'm starting to get really cautious. I'm sure the intention is not to blow peoples engines with the supercharger kits. Moto East tunes seem highly recommended, but just wondering if I should just start off with the OFT and built up my car with other mods before adding forced induction. No E85 where I live so it seems the 210 won't put out enough power. I am also looking at the Ptuning turbo kit, but I don't want to lose the NA feel of the car, in which case is why I was looking at Innovate and also the fact you get low end boost. I love NA instant throttle response in which I assume you lose a bit running a turbo setup. Some members have commented the Innovate is just overpriced garbage that breaks easily. One member says his motor blew running the 335 in the first week running under 3,000 rpm. It doesn't seem this was a Moto East tune though. So right now it's either pull the trigger on the 335 or purchase the OFT and add exhaust and wait closer to my warranty to run out before adding forced induction.

Thoughts?

335 is a waste without a built motor, IMO. Best case you severely undertune it and don't get the power out of it, then you might as well have bought the smaller SC and gotten a better power band, not to mention you'll probably have to have a custom tune done to make it safe, which is $$. With the innovate kit making ~300whp with e85, I just don't see why you'd go anything else until you're willing to build the motor and replace clutch and axles.

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by jwvand02

335 is a waste without a built motor, IMO. Best case you severely undertune it and don't get the power out of it, then you might as well have bought the smaller SC and gotten a better power band, not to mention you'll probably have to have a custom tune done to make it safe, which is $$. With the innovate kit making ~300whp with e85, I just don't see why you'd go anything else until you're willing to build the motor and replace clutch and axles.

This. If you go with 335 at least get rods and pistons

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by martinEZ

What about the wear and tear that FI could have during the car's break in process? I recently lost my NA automatic '13 BaeRZ to a careless driver, total loss, and while I save for another one I've been flirting with the idea of going FI as soon as I get it. Being a follower of the "drive it like you want it to drive" school of breaking in engines, does anyone have experience with poor seals/piston seating, or am I just overly-paranoid?

Our 2nd BRZ was boosted before it at 1000 miles on the clock.

[Boofneenee]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Our 2nd BRZ was boosted before it at 1000 miles on the clock.

How did you lose your first one? How many miles boosted on that ?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

How did you lose your first one? How many miles boosted on that ?

Someone asked to drive it, and decided to use it to pick a fight with a wall. Needless to say, the wall won that fight