The Best Performing Rear Wing for the FRS/BRZ/FT86

[8R6]

"ultra high performance" wing

[LucidMomentum]

Originally Posted by zooki

Totally off topic, but I've worked in a large chemical plant for the last 20+ years. And every so often we get new engineers straight out of school. It never fails that they try to teach me how the plant operates and what I'm doing wrong. Watching their preconceptions get crushed is like watching a train hit a Smart Car, you know what's gonna happen, but you just can't look away... 😂😂

Luckily I studied more EE and Power Generation than I&C, so when I was assigned and I&C role I knew well enough to realize I didn't know much of anything. Half of my time is learning, the other half actually working. I like to hang out with the operators because they've been working at the plant longer than I've been alive, and they put up with my dumb questions

[DarkSunrise]

Glad you're marketing wings/aero parts for the track crowd. That said, I think you'll get a much warmer reception here once you actually present real world track data.

[Amaya]

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

Luckily I studied more EE and Power Generation than I&C, so when I was assigned and I&C role I knew well enough to realize I didn't know much of anything. Half of my time is learning, the other half actually working. I like to hang out with the operators because they've been working at the plant longer than I've been alive, and they put up with my dumb questions

That's the winning attitude right there

[mav1178]

The problem is OP states that he has all the suppliers lined up, but yet doesn't have key elements of what it takes to run a business in place. I'm not going to teach a business class here but this whole thing reminds me of the Street Zeal diffuser guy, who made a rear diffuser and claimed "aerodynamic improvements" without any data backing that claim.

The thread title says it all... I don't care what disclaimers you put in your body, to say this is the "best performing rear wing" for this car without context is an absurd claim at best. To get the proper performance out of this wing, you'd need so much more in terms of suspension, tire, and power mods to truly benefit.

Anyone can slap a rear wing and make downforce, but it's very much a tradeoff of downforce vs drag, which ties in everything else on the car. OP's claims are outlandish, even with solid CFD modeling.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Glad you're marketing wings/aero parts for the track crowd. That said, I think you'll get a much warmer reception here once you actually present real world track data.

Yeah...

Originally Posted by MRE

I have not performed simulations of the wing on the car yet. I don't have the proper 3D model to conduct the experimentation yet.

-alex

[paulca]

Originally Posted by Amaya

But the fact is that he is making huge claims without presenting anything close to solid evidence. And most of his replies are defensively repeating the same rhetoric and while his faith in his product is quite unshakable that is not enough to make us believe as well.

Seems to work for religious people.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Bergen23

Ah, the classic engineer. Little to no real world experience, but they know everything.

Sure, he thinks he knows everything, but he's also actually trying to build something to get that real world experience. I anticipate that it'll slap him silly when he actually tries to test it, but that's how he'll learn. He's not going to learn the important lessons until he actually builds something and sees how the calculations and computer models translate to the real world.

I'm not bothered by the fact that he's a graduate student. There have been plenty of successes that have come out of graduate school. A whole lot of failures, too, but then a lot of experienced engineers have had failures also (or have just not bothered trying).

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

He wants to sell something to us with no real data.

I don't think he's trying to sell us anything, because he currently has nothing to sell. He just wants to brag a little about his design.

Originally Posted by mav1178

The problem is OP states that he has all the suppliers lined up, but yet doesn't have key elements of what it takes to run a business in place.

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about this. He's making claims about future products and about what he's going to sell, but there's no mention yet of a business plan or financing. OP, how are you planning to pay for all this development? Do you have backers? You have a very limited market. How will you price it? How many units do you need to sell to break even?

Even if the wing performs as well as you say it will, will it make any financial sense to actually produce and sell it?

[Amaya]

Can I also add some encouragement and advice OP? Don't stop working on this, but do more real world testing. Make one, put it on your car and go to a track, evaluate its performance and adjust accordingly then repeat the process. Be your biggest critic not your biggest fanboy. When you have a product that truly performs you won't have to say anything good about it because everyone else will. If you want great results it usually requires great failure and lots of frustration and the bloodymindedness to keep on trying to make it good despite the failures. Good luck in your engineering, I myself would like to be an engineer someday but it will probably be many years before that happens

[MRE]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about this. He's making claims about future products and about what he's going to sell, but there's no mention yet of a business plan or financing. OP, how are you planning to pay for all this development? Do you have backers? You have a very limited market. How will you price it? How many units do you need to sell to break even?

Even if the wing performs as well as you say it will, will it make any financial sense to actually produce and sell it?

I do not want to release information regarding my business model. I'm funding this from my own capital. I won't release any information on pricing yet. I have a handful of car owner of varying chassis already interested in having this product, more is always lovely. The initial expenses and scale of my production are at a level where I'll be fine financially.

[Caspeed]

Originally Posted by paulca

Seems to work for religious people.

Amen

[retoocs]

Since I already offended the other guys about their CFD data, I'll continue to do the same. As a flight test engineer, I get to validate CFD analysis. CFD results don't always correlate to real test data. Even the major airplane manufacturer have CFD be completely different than results from testing. You young engineers need to stop it with those 3 letter acronyms.

[Braces]

Originally Posted by MRE

I do not want to release information regarding my business model. I'm funding this from my own capital. I won't release any information on pricing yet. I have a handful of car owner of varying chassis already interested in having this product, more is always lovely. The initial expenses and scale of my production are at a level where I'll be fine financially.

Curious if said car owners are Squadrogue and Slowbutfun?

On a serious note. You're spending way too much time here on the ubiquitous forum spouting off all types of engineering language justifying your SUPERIOR wing. Seriously ... design it. Manufacturer it. Test it. Then come back with your facts.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by paulca

Seems to work for religious people.

OP will burn you in a cage if you do not submit to his claims.

[Amaya]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

OP will burn you in a cage if you do not submit to his claims.

I feel bad for laughing at this