The Best Performing Rear Wing for the FRS/BRZ/FT86

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Shhhh! Don't give him any ideas.

WTF at that point why didn't he just get a better front diffuser/wing

[paulca]

If only someone would make retractable automatic rifles to replace the side grill/vent thingies. That would be awesome in rush hour. Even if they only fired paint balls

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by paulca

If only someone would make retractable automatic rifles to replace the side grill/vent thingies. That would be awesome in rush hour. Even if they only fired paint balls

Not in the FRS price range!

[paulca]

Bond, James Bond.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by MRE

That is fine. Any feedback is welcomed. Intelligent, constructiveness, or negativity is only relative. I've foresaw that a product like this would stir thing up, and I only hope to clear things up and open people's eye as to what true aerodynamic designs can do for a car. I'm more than happy to address most of things and questions brought to me.

At this point, posting your bona fides would be very helpful, especially when making claims like you have.

[MRE]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

At this point, posting your bona fides would be very helpful, especially when making claims like you have.

More evidence will come, but I am not at all void of any evidence. My wing with the experimental endplate, at 120kph, makes 201.2lb lift and 49.6lb drag. In comparison, the APR GTC-200 at 130kph makes 110lb lift and 16.5lb drag. Despite the increase in drag, The huge leap in downforce will still yield results around a track much better than the APR.

[MRE]

It is important for everyone to remember that I am still in a developmental stage of this product and am not in the state of selling and distributing yet. I would not be selling my wings in the current state I am at, because of the lack of data I have yet to gather. I post this up prematurely to bring awareness and attention. The piecing together and addition of test-data builds up to the moment I am finally ready to sell the wing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

At this point, posting your bona fides would be very helpful, especially when making claims like you have.

^ This!
As far as we can tell right now you are a 14 year that has access to some software.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by paulca

If only someone would make retractable automatic rifles to replace the side grill/vent thingies. That would be awesome in rush hour. Even if they only fired paint balls

goofy ass brits..

[Koa]

Originally Posted by MRE

It is important for everyone to remember that I am still in a developmental stage of this product and am not in the state of selling and distributing yet. I would not be selling my wings in the current state I am at, because of the lack of data I have yet to gather. I post this up prematurely to bring awareness and attention. The piecing together and addition of test-data builds up to the moment I am finally ready to sell the wing.

If you wish this to be known, it is important for you to change the thread title to something that fits alongside this sentiment. At current, "The Best Performing Rear Wing for the FRS/BRZ/FT86", implies you have already made this.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Koa

goofy ass brits..

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by MRE

More evidence will come, but I am not at all void of any evidence. My wing with the experimental endplate, at 120kph, makes 201.2lb lift and 49.6lb drag. In comparison, the APR GTC-200 at 130kph makes 110lb lift and 16.5lb drag. Despite the increase in drag, The huge leap in downforce will still yield results around a track much better than the APR.

Seriously, how can you make such a claim? What tracks? What setup on the car? What is the actual tangible benefit other than more downforce with more drag?

I understand you have this modeled out virtually, but until something is actually tested (and frankly, it won't be because of cost), it is just an empty claim.

-alex

[mav1178]

I should also add that many series outright ban wing elements that extend beyond the body of the car. Most of the unlimited classes don't have this restriction, but good luck with your design in most grassroots entry-level classes.

-alex

[MRE]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Seriously, how can you make such a claim? What tracks? What setup on the car? What is the actual tangible benefit other than more downforce with more drag?

I understand you have this modeled out virtually, but until something is actually tested (and frankly, it won't be because of cost), it is just an empty claim.

-alex

In almost every track made there are benefits in utilizing aerodynamics. The only ones that might not are ovals or Le Sarthe—as I can think of so far. I do not promise that my products will improve lap-times on every track in the world.

I can make these claims, because that is the physics of how vehicle dynamics operate at. The studies and researches of this subject has proven it already.

My main goal is to give users who are seeking improvement in laptimes. I chose the aerodynamics sector, because the current product lines out there are not performing at a level that satisfies my performance goals. Increase in downforce is a by-product of achieving that goal. That is initially why I decided to invest my time and efforts to do this.

The CFD done here is extremely accurate in replicating real fluid flow, as I've followed parameters and softwares used by many OEM automotive manufacturers, aftermarket manufacturers, and racing teams. Regarding testing costs, wind tunnel is something I won't do. I haven't planned on doing any wind tunnel testings, because there isn't one close enough locally that has the scale and output needed to acquire more accurate data than CFD. The equations running the softwares and computation power we have access to today are far more sophisticated than in the past. The gap continues to close more and more to necessitate wind tunnel testing, although it would be a nice compliment. The controls I've set for live-testing will yield the data and provide information that customers are most interested at, and that will take place in the near future.