Headers, headers, headers...

[IDFWU 420]

Just save up to around 1k and get the oft and ofh combo man. The ofh was made for the oft so you'll get the most out of that header with the oft. You really don't need a tune unless youre going sc or turbo imo

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[aznatama]

OFT IS a tune. We're not talking about a custom dyno tune here, just any ecu tune.

[FirestormFRS]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71715

If you're gonna spend stupid money on a group of pipes then this is the one to buy.

[JB86'd]

Originally Posted by IDFWU 420

Just save up to around 1k and get the oft and ofh combo man. The ofh was made for the oft so you'll get the most out of that header with the oft. You really don't need a tune unless youre going sc or turbo imo

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You just contradicted yourself...

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by IDFWU 420

Just save up to around 1k and get the oft and ofh combo man. The ofh was made for the oft so you'll get the most out of that header with the oft. You really don't need a tune unless youre going sc or turbo imo

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[cjd]

Originally Posted by yomny

The best midrange power is JDL, but i think its the UEL. Regardless just get a Tomei and a good tune then the rest of the money on track days. Honestly speaking i dont think the 1k+ priced headers are worth all that money unless you're comparing them to the really cheap ebay ones out there.

I keep hearing this, but haven't seen a valid comparison. Am I missing it? I suppose it does come down to what "midrange" is, since the Nameless definitely has a bit of fall-off (dips below stock at the low end of the default dip) but above that, the Nameless has some impressive numbers, and very nice torque.

The JDL EL has some very nice numbers (and the P&L and the rest) too - they're all a little different.

I made a gamble based on my past experiences, but may find I picked the wrong header for the way I'll end up actually driving this car (and availability of a used header at a nice price swayed me a bit...) Gotta start somewhere. I doubt I would actually be able to tell the difference were I to swap, in all honesty. Pick one, get the tune, and enjoy.

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[tennisfreak]

Have you looked at the Nameless dynos?


I think they are a flawed design if you are not going FI and there are many many better options out there.


There is a reason the Nameless Header thread died.

[connorlug]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Have you looked at the Nameless dynos?


I think they are a flawed design if you are not going FI and there are many many better options out there.


There is a reason the Nameless Header thread died.

I have not been able to find much info on either header from someone other than the manufacturer, which is why I've come here. Care to share some more info? I'm driving myself crazy with this...

[steve99]

Originally Posted by connorlug

I have not been able to find much info on either header from someone other than the manufacturer, which is why I've come here. Care to share some more info? I'm driving myself crazy with this...

Yes its very difficult to compare results of headers (or other mods) as their are so many valiables

different dynos
different mods
some header dynos are done with and without tunes, different tunes, some with full exhaust mods as well as header some with just header and stock exhaust, some times they dont tell you what other mods.
different fuels
different temperatures or atmospheric conditions ie altitude.

Look for percentage gain or at least gain over stock car on same dyno , with simialr mods on similar fuel.

Dont just look at peak horsepower look at whole rpm range power and torque

its near on impossible to find easily comparable results for different headers.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Have you looked at the Nameless dynos?

I think they are a flawed design if you are not going FI and there are many many better options out there.

There is a reason the Nameless Header thread died.

I've looked at a lot of header dynos, and only recall comparisons against stock. Most also have a tune. Given the variables, comparisons with any statistical significance are very difficult. We can probably compare the shapes of the curve, but not the raw numbers. Comparing a UEL and EL design from the same company, it's tough to say the UEL has statistically significant improvements in midrange torque, but it's consistently lower peak. Close enough it may not even matter (won't if you're on the street,) but mathematically is likely always going to suggest the EL is the way to go if you want power of any kind.

I think the Nameless does some things better than other designs, and some things worse. The lovely dive it takes centered at 3200rpm isn't exactly a happy thing, but you trade it for just a bit more torque above that point, at least in theory. So, the question becomes, will you find yourself in this low spot in the range? The answer will be different for everyone.

So, I'm still curious what comparison you're using to validate the "best midrange power" statement. Is it power under the curve? Flatter power curve, so no drop at 3200? Did someone actually dyno both with reasonably comparable results? Perhaps we don't have the same ranges in mind when we say "midrange" either (3200 is really right between low and mid to me.)

I'm not attempting to suggest the Nameless is the best thing going, I'm just trying to understand the basis for your statement.

Finally, since I must speculate, I'd have guessed the Nameless thread died because they've basically had a product that's unavailable for some time, plus FP/OP fitment issues. I could be wrong, of course.

Full disclosure: I do happen to have a Nameless header waiting to be installed. If I find myself in that valley of despair too often on the course and find it an issue, I'll chalk it up to the miscalculation it is, and get a different header - and then find out if I can note the difference. If I'd waited two months, I very likely would have had a different brand, just due to availability. A reasonable deal is hard to pass up, so I jumped. I'm curious to see how it works for me - no expectations, and no regrets.

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[tennisfreak]

cjd dont interpret my comments to mean that nameless is a bad header in general as I was basing my opinion off the OP's stated interests.

A. I never made a claim on "mid range power" so I am not sure why you are asking me to validate that

IMO (and I realize many may not agree with me) for a N/A car the Nameless header is not the best choice and the reasons you basically made in your own statement.
Still a presence of a slight dip.
Fitment issues.

Also:
It is prohibitively expensive.
I feel that its big long tube design opens flow up almost to much for a N/A application and the header is really meant to shine in FI based applications.
I have yet to see a dyno where someone has gotten close to 200whp.
The OP is mentioning they want only a header, which if they get the Nameless I feel they will be very dissapointed in without other supporting mods.


OP would you consider looking at the PPE EL race header?
It is very affordable and comes with the OP! PPE makes quality stuff and this thing is much cheaper than the Nameless header.

Here is a link to their site: http://www.ppeengineering-onlinestor...-1-1220001.htm
Here is a link to the thread discussing it: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80276

[cjd]

Sorry, attributed the original post and didn't double check authors. someone else said the midrange bit. Anyway, appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the subject too.

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[2016 Camaro SS]

JDL EL or JDL UEL, don't look back. Pick your flavor.