NEW Street Zeal Diffuser

[mmmcambelsoup]

Originally Posted by aznatama

Keep in mind you have only a certain amount of time from when you PAID through paypal.

From Paypal's website:
"Check the date! All claims must be filed within 45 days of the transaction or the claim will be denied"

Day 29 and counting

Damn so no one on here got shipping confirmation? *crickets*

[mmmcambelsoup]

Update:

Just received word it's being shipped today via email and is being expedited due to certain circumstances, will let you all know once I get the confirmation. *crossing fingers*

[OmarGC]

I'm not worried. Sounds like they're doing the best the can with port delays

[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Do they have actual CFD data like FT86, or is just cosmetic?

It's actually Driveway Labs's Cfd, not ft86.

[streetzeal]

Wow,
Just seeing this now, its too bad its gone so far as to having this thread created but its here now so we will deal with it. A few things @mmmcambelsoup is leaving out.


We have been in communication multiple times each day giving status updates. Yes we had many issues due to port problems and primarily customs. But we have also gone to EVERY step necessary to try and source out remaining parts that were locked up in shipping to complete these kits for the customers.


They are 11 days behind schedule but have been months in the making. Anytime your creating a product for its first launch it is difficult to put an exact date on production as most people knows launch dates are subject to change no matter how large or small the company.


All of this has been clarified to the customers and @mmmcambelsoup seems to be the only one having an issue but I understand he has some deadlines he would like to have the product for. We have sourced all remaining parts for the kit and Even agreed to drive the kits across the border in person to ship out on the US side to ensure they reach everyone as timely as possible, this takes hours of drive time on our behalf that we were not planning to do (but saving customers wait time at customs for the products being shipped into the US and longer shipping times Is something we feel we would like to do for our customers despite our costs)


As explained to the customers the issues with shipping/customs/port problems is completely out of our hands but we are going above and beyond to make sure we do everything we can do speed the process.

@MMmcampbelsoup requested pictures of the products ready to ship which we provided minus the missing hardware to help satisfy his insecurities about us being an illegitimate company.


Thank you, As always please don't hesitate to contact us.

[cdo221]

Originally Posted by mmmcambelsoup

Day 29 and counting

Damn so no one on here got shipping confirmation? *crickets*

Originally Posted by aznatama

Keep in mind you have only a certain amount of time from when you PAID through paypal.

From Paypal's website:
"Check the date! All claims must be filed within 45 days of the transaction or the claim will be denied"

PayPal changed their policy recently to 180 days, effective Nov 2014 btw

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...-policies-full

"We’re increasing the time for buyers to file a merchandise dispute (Item Not Received and Significantly Not as Described) from 45 days to 180 days. All references in the User Agreement to “Opening a Dispute within 45 days” have been updated to reflect “Opening a Dispute within 180 days.” The Sections these changes appear include the Introduction, 3.15, 13.2 and 13.5."

[aznatama]

Originally Posted by cdo221

PayPal changed their policy recently to 180 days, effective Nov 2014 btw

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...-policies-full

"We’re increasing the time for buyers to file a merchandise dispute (Item Not Received and Significantly Not as Described) from 45 days to 180 days. All references in the User Agreement to “Opening a Dispute within 45 days” have been updated to reflect “Opening a Dispute within 180 days.” The Sections these changes appear include the Introduction, 3.15, 13.2 and 13.5."

Good to know. Apparently they missed changing some of the text...

[mmmcambelsoup]

Item has been shipped and they have gone out of their way to even cross the border to expedite the process as said. Overall great customer service, I guess I was just being an overly worried customer with a new company. Thanks for your help and cooperation @streetzeal!

[retoocs]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

It's actually Driveway Labs's Cfd, not ft86.

CFD data is meaningless without actual test data to verify the accuracy of the models.

[8R6]

Originally Posted by streetzeal

Wow,
Just seeing this now, its too bad its gone so far as to having this thread created but its here now so we will deal with it. A few things @mmmcambelsoup is leaving out.


We have been in communication multiple times each day giving status updates. Yes we had many issues due to port problems and primarily customs. But we have also gone to EVERY step necessary to try and source out remaining parts that were locked up in shipping to complete these kits for the customers.


They are 11 days behind schedule but have been months in the making. Anytime your creating a product for its first launch it is difficult to put an exact date on production as most people knows launch dates are subject to change no matter how large or small the company.


All of this has been clarified to the customers and @mmmcambelsoup seems to be the only one having an issue but I understand he has some deadlines he would like to have the product for. We have sourced all remaining parts for the kit and Even agreed to drive the kits across the border in person to ship out on the US side to ensure they reach everyone as timely as possible, this takes hours of drive time on our behalf that we were not planning to do (but saving customers wait time at customs for the products being shipped into the US and longer shipping times Is something we feel we would like to do for our customers despite our costs)


As explained to the customers the issues with shipping/customs/port problems is completely out of our hands but we are going above and beyond to make sure we do everything we can do speed the process.

@MMmcampbelsoup requested pictures of the products ready to ship which we provided minus the missing hardware to help satisfy his insecurities about us being an illegitimate company.


Thank you, As always please don't hesitate to contact us.

the joys of doing business with people who've never run a business. lol

[edit] just realized it might sound like this was directed to streetzeal, but i meant it for the majority of the general public who have no idea what it takes to run a business and all the logistics involved that go on behind the scenes.

[plucas]

Originally Posted by retoocs

CFD data is meaningless without actual test data to verify the accuracy of the models.

Meaningless is pretty drastic of language. What kind of accuracy are you looking for? Accuracy to the real word? That won't happen because the "real" world has many variables that cannot be known. Accuracy to windtunnel? Which tunnel as they will all give different values and have other issues (see: http://velox-motorsports.com/140/). CFD is another way to test with specific knowns. Below is just one of the verifications we do with our cfd testing.

http://velox-motorsports.com/a-look-...fd-validation/

[retoocs]

Originally Posted by plucas

Meaningless is pretty drastic of language. What kind of accuracy are you looking for? Accuracy to the real word? That won't happen because the "real" world has many variables that cannot be known. Accuracy to windtunnel? Which tunnel as they will all give different values and have other issues (see: http://velox-motorsports.com/140/). CFD is another way to test with specific knowns. Below is just one of the verifications we do with our cfd testing.

http://velox-motorsports.com/a-look-...fd-validation/

Real world model verification has to be done. I'm currently on an aircraft flight test program where we spend quite a bit of time just in model verification of both our structural models and our CFD. It is a requirement we have on every program. I just spend the past week instrumenting the aircraft with stain gages, accelerometers, pressure transducers, pressure rakes, and thermocouples.

We do lab testing of our products by setting up the same conditions as the analysis to see if we get the same results. Then we do flight testing and the data we record are fed back into the models to see if the flight test data correlates.

F1 teams do the same thing. They don't just go off their CFD results. They'll test their parts in the wind tunnel, the on the car with pressure rakes attached.

[plucas]

Originally Posted by retoocs

Real world model verification has to be done. I'm currently on an aircraft flight test program where we spend quite a bit of time just in model verification of both our structural models and our CFD. It is a requirement we have on every program. I just spend the past week instrumenting the aircraft with stain gages, accelerometers, pressure transducers, pressure rakes, and thermocouples.

We do lab testing of our products by setting up the same conditions as the analysis to see if we get the same results. Then we do flight testing and the data we record are fed back into the models to see if the flight test data correlates.

F1 teams do the same thing. They don't just go off their CFD results. They'll test their parts in the wind tunnel, the on the car with pressure rakes attached.

That is great and all if you want to pay $5000-10000 on a splitter. We actually properly set up a cfd case with an accurate model of the car to come out with aerodynamically functional part. Nobody else does this or anything close to this.

Speaking of Formula 1, Virgin Racing (later Marussia) did an all cfd approach in 2010 & 2011. This didn't yield successful car. However, in those seasons only 3 teams won races. In 2012, Marussia switched to a cfd and wind tunnel approach. This yielded the same results as before.

Again, cfd is not meaningless. You might be on an aircraft flight program, but that doesn't mean you are an expert on automotive aerodynamics. Is it perfect to only run cfd? NO. Would it be nice to also use a wind tunnel? Of course. Would it also be great to sensor the car to the moon (with $10,000+ dollars in equiptment)? Of course. However, this is impossible. Instead we created an accurate model of the car. I then ran many analyses in openfoam.

[eric6]

Originally Posted by retoocs

Real world model verification has to be done. I'm currently on an aircraft flight test program where we spend quite a bit of time just in model verification of both our structural models and our CFD. It is a requirement we have on every program. I just spend the past week instrumenting the aircraft with stain gages, accelerometers, pressure transducers, pressure rakes, and thermocouples.

We do lab testing of our products by setting up the same conditions as the analysis to see if we get the same results. Then we do flight testing and the data we record are fed back into the models to see if the flight test data correlates.

F1 teams do the same thing. They don't just go off their CFD results. They'll test their parts in the wind tunnel, the on the car with pressure rakes attached.

I don't want to get involved but I am. Why? I don't know yet...

Anyway, so you're saying CFD is completely meaningless, yet in your profession it sounds like that is the first step of analyzing the aircraft. Hmmm interesting.

You say CFD is meaningless yet you mention F1 teams rely on CFD, as well as other means, but they use CFD! Hmmm interesting.

Yes, validation is important, if you have the means. But when you don't, why would CFD be deemed meaningless? First off, we do our best to set-up cases as accurately as possible. We go so far as to validate against known models (LMP1 car). With the FR-S/BRZ, we ensured that the CFD model was within a fraction of published models! And even if we set it up improperly (which we didn't), we are comparing apples to apples. We use the same inputs for each test (stock body, then stock body and splitter, then stock body and rear diffuser, etc). If their are gains, they are gains!

I'm not here to pick a fight but we ran those analysis and we stand behind what they say. When you say the analysis is meaningless, you bring the community back. Lets move forward with technology! You use it everyday, you should understand how powerful it is!