Pilot Supor Sport 225/45 or Pilot Sport 3 215/45

[ChrisD]

I've seen a few people mention that they have got Michelin Pilot Super Sports in the stock tyre size 215/45/R17 but it seems to me like they don't exist... my local tyre dealer can't find them in that size and the Michelin website seems to agree. The only option I got (other than the stock tyre) for that size on the Michelin site is the Pilot Sport 3. The Pilot Super Sports only seem to be in 225/45/R17 not 215/45/R17.

I don't know that much about Michelin tyres, so I've no idea which would be "better" on this car and for what I want to use it for. Ideally I'd like a little bit more grip than the stock tyres but not much... I like the playful nature of the back end a lot, but I don't like the borderline dangerous nature of it in the wet (especially just going round a small roundabout and the front starts to push wide...).

So anyone that knows a thing or two about Michelins, would you recommend going for the slightly wider pilot super sports or going for the stock size pilot sport 3s?

Also anyone that has gone to the 225 width tyre, is there anything I need to be aware of? The tyre dealer said a wider tyre could possibly make the traction control system get a bit confused, although I get the impression the traction control on this car is not that advanced...
They also said the wider tyre will be a bit taller too (I never realised the second part of the tyre measurement was a percentage of the width, not an actual measurement in mm), so I'm wondering how well a taller tyre will work out especially when I've lowered the car with coilovers that are on their way. Any experiences from people who have gone down the 225/45/R17 route would be good

Cheers
Chris

[Pete156]

You'll be increasing overall diameter by approx .4 inches with the 225s. This won't upset any of your electronics. Go with the PSS. Much better tire. Good in the wet also.

[malave7567]

Originally Posted by Pete156

You'll be increasing overall diameter by approx .4 inches with the 225s. This won't upset any of your electronics. Go with the PSS. Much better tire. Good in the wet also.

^ agreed with this. I run 225/45/17 Michelin PSS on my car. Love it.

[Estey]

Hey man, I confirmed that my tire is 215/45. That's odd how you can't seem to find them locally. I found them here on tirerack.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

[TylerLieberman]

Some places only stock/list certain sizes. You have to check around a bit

http://www.onlinetires.com/products/...sport+91y.html

$138 each here

[alv012]

Originally Posted by ChrisD

Ideally I'd like a little bit more grip than the stock tyres but not much... I like the playful nature of the back end a lot, but I don't like the borderline dangerous nature of it in the wet (especially just going round a small roundabout and the front starts to push wide...).

Made the switch to 225/45 PSS on stock wheels last week. Within the week, I got the chance to drive them in pretty wet conditions as well as 100+ mi of spirited driving in the hill country. Plenty of added grip in both conditions, especially in the wet, but the rear still steps out predictably if you want it to. I think they make for a great DD tire.

[Akari]

I have to agree, go with the 225s and you'll be happy. Personally I went with 235/45/17s on a wider wheel and love them so far.

[ChrisD]

Yeah I know not every tyre place has every tyre in stock or anything, but for the Michelin website to not even list them and my local tyre place rang Michelin UK and they said no they don't make them... maybe they just don't make them for the UK market but seems pretty weird.

Anyway, seems like going to 225 is going to be fine anyway judging by what everyone else here is saying. I'll get 4 ordered tomorrow Thanks!

[tracerit]

Would putting the 225/45/17 on the stock wheel (17x7.5?) and then removing it to place it on a different wheel (17x8) have an abnormal fitment issues?

Asking because Costco has a deal for $70 off Michelin tires until tomorrow, but I'm not ready to buy new wheels yet until two months later probably.

[D_Thissen]

Originally Posted by tracerit

Would putting the 225/45/17 on the stock wheel (17x7.5?) and then removing it to place it on a different wheel (17x8) have an abnormal fitment issues?

Asking because Costco has a deal for $70 off Michelin tires until tomorrow, but I'm not ready to buy new wheels yet until two months later probably.

Nope. I believe a 225 is good for up to an 8.5" rim. I know quiet a lot of people are running 225/45/17 on 17x8

[ARTBRZ]

Originally Posted by Estey

Hey man, I confirmed that my tire is 215/45. That's odd how you can't seem to find them locally. I found them here on tirerack.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes

I found the 215/45 PSS at Costco last week. I'm preparing to slap the PSS in March. They quoted me @ 107.99 just in case u were curious about the price.

[ShadowTS]

Originally Posted by ChrisD

I've seen a few people mention that they have got Michelin Pilot Super Sports in the stock tyre size 215/45/R17 but it seems to me like they don't exist... my local tyre dealer can't find them in that size and the Michelin website seems to agree. The only option I got (other than the stock tyre) for that size on the Michelin site is the Pilot Sport 3. The Pilot Super Sports only seem to be in 225/45/R17 not 215/45/R17.

I don't know that much about Michelin tyres, so I've no idea which would be "better" on this car and for what I want to use it for. Ideally I'd like a little bit more grip than the stock tyres but not much... I like the playful nature of the back end a lot, but I don't like the borderline dangerous nature of it in the wet (especially just going round a small roundabout and the front starts to push wide...).

So anyone that knows a thing or two about Michelins, would you recommend going for the slightly wider pilot super sports or going for the stock size pilot sport 3s?

Also anyone that has gone to the 225 width tyre, is there anything I need to be aware of? The tyre dealer said a wider tyre could possibly make the traction control system get a bit confused, although I get the impression the traction control on this car is not that advanced...
They also said the wider tyre will be a bit taller too (I never realised the second part of the tyre measurement was a percentage of the width, not an actual measurement in mm), so I'm wondering how well a taller tyre will work out especially when I've lowered the car with coilovers that are on their way. Any experiences from people who have gone down the 225/45/R17 route would be good

Cheers
Chris

Hi Chris,

I believe that other people here have not checked your country: UK. Basically I think that Michelin Pilot Super Sport are not available in Europe in 215/45/17. I'm in the same situation, I'm in Italy and I want PSS in the stock size, but I cannot find any European dealer selling them. The only european solution in stock size for Michelin is the Pilot Sport 3.
I wanted PSS because they are Max summer tires, very good for DD + track, with the same performance of Extreme summer tires like Yokohama AD08. So they mix the best of Extreme tires (track performance) while they are safe for DD (rain) + the treadwear is 300 and they will last much longer then Extreme tires.

I believe that we have to buy a less performant Max summer tire like Pilot Sport 3 or Yoko Advan V105 if you prefer safety and longevity, or go with Advan Neova AD08R if you want max track peformance but fast wearing on the street.

Another possible solution is Kumho Ecsta XS, which is an Extreme tire sold at less then many much lower performant Max summer tires, so they combine performance and cost over time (fast wear but very low cost), however I'm worried about their performance on the rain.

If you can you can buy the 225 width PSS, but unfortunately in Italy they are not legal, the only legal 17 tires for our car is the 215/45.

[ChrisD]

Originally Posted by ShadowTS

Hi Chris,

I believe that other people here have not checked your country: UK. Basically I think that Michelin Pilot Super Sport are not available in Europe in 215/45/17. I'm in the same situation, I'm in Italy and I want PSS in the stock size, but I cannot find any European dealer selling them. The only european solution in stock size for Michelin is the Pilot Sport 3.
I wanted PSS because they are Max summer tires, very good for DD + track, with the same performance of Extreme summer tires like Yokohama AD08. So they mix the best of Extreme tires (track performance) while they are safe for DD (rain) + the treadwear is 300 and they will last much longer then Extreme tires.

I believe that we have to buy a less performant Max summer tire like Pilot Sport 3 or Yoko Advan V105 if you prefer safety and longevity, or go with Advan Neova AD08R if you want max track peformance but fast wearing on the street.

Another possible solution is Kumho Ecsta XS, which is an Extreme tire sold at less then many much lower performant Max summer tires, so they combine performance and cost over time (fast wear but very low cost), however I'm worried about their performance on the rain.

If you can you can buy the 225 width PSS, but unfortunately in Italy they are not legal, the only legal 17 tires for our car is the 215/45.

Thanks, I thought I was going mad. I just tried to order the 224/45/R17 PSS and yeah they don't exist in the UK either... So I've just gone for the Pilot Sport 3s in the stock size of 215/45/R17. I figure they've got to be a little better than the Primacys that are on there even if they're not as good as PSS

[Pete156]

Originally Posted by ShadowTS

Hi Chris,

If you can you can buy the 225 width PSS, but unfortunately in Italy they are not legal, the only legal 17 tires for our car is the 215/45.

What? Not legal?