E-tuner decision

[Xero-Limit]

Originally Posted by Toyota John

I have heard good things about Moto-Mike. He is one of the best at supercharged.

Thanks, we do many turbos and NAs as well, and have done the 15 wrx with good results. Actually have one coming in shortly for the shop since we have so much more work to do with what EcuTek allows, and we'd like to test that stuff on a non-customer car.

I think anyone who has been on the dyno with me knows we gladly show exactly what we're doing and definitely keep the customer in the loop. The challenge with open tuning is that the amount of R&D we put into the platform (as do the other EcuTek tuners) is just so huge that we have to keep it closed. The cars cost serious money, the blown motors we sacrifice cost a ton of money, and the time itself that we put into the work is something you can only justify if you really live and breathe this stuff. So if we went completely open and had an unscrupulous tuner go in as a "customer" only to open up shop 6 months later, we get burned badly as we did on the Mazda platform. Luckily the quality of work keeps us at the top there and heavily buried in sanctioned stuff where folks know fluff from real tuning.

So it isn't that we lock things down to be pricks about it, but that when the opportunity is there, someone will take you for the ride. Having done both open tuning and locked tuning, I can tell with certainty that our locked tunes are better as a result. Just a byproduct of being able to devote the time to the platform.

[diodelphi]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Yes, but once you have the sensor and the Flex Fuel map, the sensor automatically scales the fuel/ignition tables based on the Ethanol content.


So you don't have to worry about going back and forth between maps/tunes, etc. You just put your favorite flavor in and go.

i think sending a map for E85 tune with ecutek flexfuel logic is not as good as building the E85 map from scratch like OFT OTS.

i think for E85 the oft approach is better

[diodelphi]

Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash

We charge $195 for custom tuning to our OFT customers. And I've been doing a lot of custom tuning work lately.



Sure.. just shoot an email to sales@openflashperformance.com and request a custom tune. The sales guys will pass the request along to me and I'll start the process with you soon thereafter.

Cheers
shiv

Shiv
i send two email to sales@openflashperformance.com but never received any answer.

i do not what's happening ?!!!

[diodelphi]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

Thanks, we do many turbos and NAs as well, and have done the 15 wrx with good results. Actually have one coming in shortly for the shop since we have so much more work to do with what EcuTek allows, and we'd like to test that stuff on a non-customer car.

I think anyone who has been on the dyno with me knows we gladly show exactly what we're doing and definitely keep the customer in the loop. The challenge with open tuning is that the amount of R&D we put into the platform (as do the other EcuTek tuners) is just so huge that we have to keep it closed. The cars cost serious money, the blown motors we sacrifice cost a ton of money, and the time itself that we put into the work is something you can only justify if you really live and breathe this stuff. So if we went completely open and had an unscrupulous tuner go in as a "customer" only to open up shop 6 months later, we get burned badly as we did on the Mazda platform. Luckily the quality of work keeps us at the top there and heavily buried in sanctioned stuff where folks know fluff from real tuning.

So it isn't that we lock things down to be pricks about it, but that when the opportunity is there, someone will take you for the ride. Having done both open tuning and locked tuning, I can tell with certainty that our locked tunes are better as a result. Just a byproduct of being able to devote the time to the platform.

i really think open map do not decrease your business speed.
i do not recommend you to risk but i personally think opening doors of information make your business more powerful.

when you put your dyno plots and you help users with sharing information they come toward you.

it's my idea
excuse me

[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by diodelphi

i think sending a map for E85 tune with ecutek flexfuel logic is not as good as building the E85 map from scratch like OFT OTS.

i think for E85 the oft approach is better

Huh??????

A flex-fuel tune and an E85 tune are two different things. From scratch? I think you may be confused.

Honestly, the OFT and OFT vs. EcuTek discussions should be moved out of this thread and discussed elsewhere, as these items are completely off-topic from what the OP was asking.

Please take the OFT business elsewhere.


- Bob

[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Celadrielas

Thank you for the correction to my information. The last exposure I had to the ECUtek system was through a local member. Every time they get in the vehicle, they have to select the appropriate map they want to run and go from there. So, if running E85, for example, they would select that map and then start driving. Every time they enter the vehicle.

Sorry for the misinformation, as it was not my intent.

I think what you were seeing is that currently with EcuTek, the ECU will default to map-1 upon startup. So when first starting, if you want a map other than map-1, you would need to select the map with the cruise control stalk. Takes about 2 seconds to do.

An ECU limitation is preventing the system from remembering the map last used. EcuTek is working to find a solution.

- Bob

[diodelphi]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

Huh??????

A flex-fuel tune and an E85 tune are two different things. From scratch? I think you may be confused.

Honestly, the OFT and OFT vs. EcuTek discussions should be moved out of this thread and discussed elsewhere, as these items are completely off-topic from what the OP was asking.

Please take the OFT business elsewhere.


- Bob

i think with ecutek we could build E90 or E75 or generally Exx from scratch with editing fuel and timing tables but i guess most ecutek tuners do not do that and they prefer to set a number at input sensor data of flexfuel mode.