The mechanical advantage a manual has over an automatic - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Manji · 01-17-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DohcTor

Do people seriously still buy manual transmissions...??

What is this , the 80's ?

Welcome to the future kids... Try the new and improved technology , it's far better

Edit - meme also applies to OP

ohnoitsthefuzz · 01-17-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DohcTor

Do people seriously still buy manual transmissions...??

What is this , the 80's ?

Welcome to the future kids... Try the new and improved technology , it's far better

Hardly new and improved technology. Some of us actually like DRIVING our cars. The rev matching feature is nifty, but I can still do that with a little blip of my throttle between downshifts.
It's nice to have an actual dual clutch paddle shift transmission in a car like 458 Italia, Aventador, Mclaren, etc. because it actually accentuates the cars performance level. It lets you focus on driving that car to the best of it's ability. Our platform does not need anything more than good old fashioned manual transmission because its best can be reached and over shot pretty damn quick.
If you picked the auto because you daily drive, or sit in traffic on the freeway. I sit in traffic on Los Angeles freeways constantly and have never had an issue. Not to mention, we have one of the lightest clutch pedals from the factory ever!

jeepmor · 01-17-2015, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by phobos512

What is a "paddle shift trans"? You do realize it's a standard torque converter automatic, not a dual clutch, right? The paddles don't do anything that I couldn't have done with the shift lever in my previous Tundra...

Except keep your hands on the steering wheel.

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Do people seriously still buy manual transmissions...??
What is this , the 80's ?
Welcome to the future kids... Try the new and improved technology , it's far better

I'll Red Barchetta that one.

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Actual Barchetta...no turbo as referenced in song on this model. I think the newer models are ugly.

I drove both cars before I bought. I liked the manual better. Some of the rev matching features (software) was pretty lousy for jumping on it at low speed. More laggy is a good word for it. It was running straight auto BTW. Quick shifting was nice. But my 23 mile one-way commute runs the rural route instead of Oregon's two worst freeways, 26 and 217. This was THE deciding factor for me. If I was a dedicated freeway runner in rush hour , I'd have gone auto. But the rural route won. Also, a manual is easier to get it to let loose than an auto, that's half the fun on wet rainy days with this car.

That's a lot of ratio range on the gearing, good to know. Serves the dedicated autocrosser/race crowd real well, regardless of transmission.

buddy32 · 01-17-2015, 09:42 AM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78308

Lunatic · 01-17-2015, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dem00n

Why?

I don't see any need for an upgraded torque converter if you're at stock power levels, besides the fact for launching?

An oil cooler makes sense and i was planning on one until my engine seals started to go. I can understand that mod.

Sorry, I misunderstood your statement. I am not modifying my tranny, but modifying the car, suspension, LSD, 4.88's. But not going FI. At least not for a year anyway. I did add a tranny cooler, as well as an engine oil cooler.

hero33 · 01-17-2015, 01:02 PM

I bought my 2015 white 86 last month in AT cause I was tired of driving a manual in our stop and go traffic. 15 years of manuals is more than enough for me as a daily driver. No regrets whatsoever. I get the best of both worlds and I'm happy. I get kids trying to race me on the highway, but, I bought the car knowing I could slide the rear out through the corners, not for overtaking people on the street.

mid_life_crisis · 01-17-2015, 01:20 PM

Does anyone know the programming of the torque converter lockup?
Generally speaking, autos don't need the same ratios as manuals because of torque multiplication in the converter, but I've seen it stated that the lockup is very aggressive, which would diminish that effect.
We really need to get control of the auto.

boredom.is.me · 01-17-2015, 11:38 PM

This is all these threads ever become...

FirestormFRS · 01-17-2015, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Not defending, pointing out the mechanical advantages of the M/T car. Even upgrading to the highest FD available, the A/T loses advantage in 3rd and 5th to the stock M/T. If anything I'm showing just how and why the manual is better than the automatic.

IT'S LOWEST!!! NOT HIGHEST!!! Don't you have some torque cones to stick in something?

Poodles · 01-19-2015, 09:08 PM

OP still doesn't understand how a torque converter works and why he's WRONG.

AJPG · 01-21-2015, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

Does anyone know the programming of the torque converter lockup?
Generally speaking, autos don't need the same ratios as manuals because of torque multiplication in the converter, but I've seen it stated that the lockup is very aggressive, which would diminish that effect.
We really need to get control of the auto.

You could start with sport mode.

AJPG · 01-21-2015, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Poodles

OP still doesn't understand how a torque converter works and why he's WRONG.

Please sir enlighten us...

AJPG · 01-21-2015, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FirestormFRS

IT'S LOWEST!!! NOT HIGHEST!!! Don't you have some torque cones to stick in something?

WTF are you talking about?
Again... if you could be so kind and explain your point?

By the way we have service for torque cone removal, price depends on how deep it go. Lol

DohcTor · 01-21-2015, 08:12 AM

Lol... Always makes me grin when I see manual transmission drivers act like they can drive their car any more than auto owners

Gave up on that old technology years ago when I realized that modern autos are far superior. Hehe.

The manual tranny will be out of production within 5 years... Better maintain your cars ...!

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hero33 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: 2015 White 86 Location: Makati Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I bought my 2015 white 86 last month in AT cause I was tired of driving a manual in our stop and go traffic. 15 years of manuals is more than enough for me as a daily driver. No regrets whatsoever. I get the best of both worlds and I'm happy. I get kids trying to race me on the highway, but, I bought the car knowing I could slide the rear out through the corners, not for overtaking people on the street.

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DohcTor Banned Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: Low and fast Location: Visalia Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lol... Always makes me grin when I see manual transmission drivers act like they can drive their car any more than auto owners Gave up on that old technology years ago when I realized that modern autos are far superior. Hehe. The manual tranny will be out of production within 5 years... Better maintain your cars ...!

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