FA20DIT BRZ @ STOHL RACING

[Budo]

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[jflogerzi]

Nice work. Looking forward to more details.

[tahdizzle]

They need to put the dit in the brz/frs from the factory. No way in Heck I'd be able to pass a fa20dit swap in california.

[Lonewolf]

It sure seems that there would be a market for an frs/brz with a turbo fa20 from the factory...sure it would be 5-8k more, but some people are dropping that kind of coin right after they buy the car anyway

[Reaper]

So the starter doesn't fit like I said. The turbo doesn't fit like I said and the intercooler doesn't fit like I said. So you end up buying another engine and fabricating most of a turbo kit to swap this in. Then as fullblown and several other shops have already seen the fa20dit cannot make the same amount of power as the fa20 with a turbo. Fa20dit tops out under 400whp. The di injectors simply won't flow anymore than that. This seems like a complete waste.

[Harinjo]

Oem Starter and oem turbo fits without cutting anything

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

They need to put the dit in the brz/frs from the factory. No way in Heck I'd be able to pass a fa20dit swap in california.

California law allows you to swap in any engine certified for street use as long as it is from the same weight class + is the same model year or newer, and also certified for street use in California.

The assumption is that a newer engine would have needed to pass more stringent smog standards.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm

-alex

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by mav1178

California law allows you to swap in any engine certified for street use as long as it is from the same weight class + is the same model year or newer, and also certified for street use in California.

The assumption is that a newer engine would have needed to pass more stringent smog standards.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm

-alex

Well thats good news. Now to see exactly how much this "PnP" kit and engine will cost :P

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Well thats good news. Now to see exactly how much this "PnP" kit and engine will cost :P

If you do go this route, you'd need to get the car recertified at a BAR referee station, and you will get a sticker on your firewall that would tell a smog technician that your engine is swapped.

I should note that 1) you can swap to an engine with a higher emissions standard but not lower (i.e. you can swap a car engine into a truck, but not the other way around), and 2) safe to say, you are on your own for drivetrain warranty purporses.

I know a few 240SX guys who have done a street-legal, certified LS1 swaps this way.

-alex

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Harinjo

Oem Starter and oem turbo fits without cutting anything

They said the turbo hit. The starter and exhaust are also on the wrong side so how did they fix that?

[CoupedUpSubie]

Originally Posted by Reaper

They said the turbo hit. The starter and exhaust are also on the wrong side so how did they fix that?

Where does it actually say the turbo hit? Are you reading beyond what is said or looking at the information given?

[Speedhead]

Originally Posted by Reaper

So the starter doesn't fit like I said. The turbo doesn't fit like I said and the intercooler doesn't fit like I said. So you end up buying another engine and fabricating most of a turbo kit to swap this in. Then as fullblown and several other shops have already seen the fa20dit cannot make the same amount of power as the fa20 with a turbo. Fa20dit tops out under 400whp. The di injectors simply won't flow anymore than that. This seems like a complete waste.

Obviously the TMIC has not been carried over as can be seen.
However, with a different hood (with scoop) also the OE IC should be possible to fit!
Aprt from this point, at this stage I will not go into detail what exactly fits without mods, what not, and further what has been done to make it PnP.

Soon enough, more details about these topics will be revealed of course.
Until then, everybody who wants to find it out in detail will have to check it by himself.

However, as stated before, there is no need for any custom fabrication to be processed apart from some simple holes being drilled for mounting.
Everybody with average mechanic skills can process the conversion!!

When saying that the DIT cannot make more power than just below 400, you are comparing apples with pears.
The Fa20s running 400 hp have been upgraded with a turbo kit, plus in depth hardware mods. The DIT gets 350+ in an absolutely bone stock specification!!!
What keeps you away from adding a secondary port injection to the DIT?
Than you have a port(DI system much more powerful than in FA20.
Higher rate of DI possible => better vaporisation of fuel, better combustion chamber cooling, more homogenic mixture in chamber => more total output possible.
With a proper turbo and forged internals that engine would easily withstand 500-600 bhp.
No need for a 6k$ block-only

And just for the notes:
Fa20 with 400 whp has an output increase of 100% over std!!

DIT with such a power is at exactly 33,3...% increase !
Do the maths what that means for reliability when driven hard.

And there´s no word about torque BTW, which, especially when looking at the strength of the hardware, is much more important.
What mods are needed in the FA20 to withstand 520 Nm?
DIT => NONE!!!

Further, having an engine easily capable of doing 200k miles with 340 whp (as this is what you easily and safely get from a remapped DIT), while to get this out from a FA20 you have to dig in deep already (no words about aftermarket forged pistons, or mass production factory fitted engine.. wuality/daily usability).

Another point: the FA20DIT is definitely the future base for
a) high power Subarus as e.g. next gen WRX STIs etc.
b) also most likely the future for various works motorsport programs
it IS the successor of the EJ engines!

....so you can imagine how much developments there will be coming out for that powerplant.

true, maybe with the existing and available components still FA20 > DIT!
But DIT is at the complete beginning!
In the next years this will change dramatically and further will result that DITs will kick ass of any FA20 in the future

So anybody can judge by himself, how "completely waste" this is, to put in a factory boosted engine, which starts at 300 hp and 400 Nm (which much more important than the power by the way....) compared to the n/a FA20 with practically close to no torque at all.

Well thats good news. Now to see exactly how much this "PnP" kit and engine will cost :P

Guys, give it some time.
First the validation of the system (and sure some optimisation of specs/designs) will be carried out.
As soon as this is completed, the price topic will also be fixed soon.

Of course the cost topic has been kept in mind from the very beginning!
That´s also why the installation of the kit without any mods on the car was put on a high priority.

Also, you´ll end up in having your complete FA20 for sale
And as that´s such a great and desired engine, it´ll sell for a lot

[tahdizzle]

Where can you buy a FA20DIT anyway? lol

[YMAA]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Where can you buy a FA20DIT anyway? lol

You get one for free when you purchase a 2015 WRX.