Twins are slow? Not as slow as these cars!

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

Must I punish you again?

You need to l2English troll.

You do not have a twin, you do not know Shite about cars, and you troll like your breath smells. Bad.

[troek]

you mean to tell me my $25,000 car CAN'T beat super cars?????????

[themadscientist]

Dizzle, again, search. Come out of the closet already.

Troek, head out to the C1 and look for Nagata-sans GT-R. DEFEND OUR HONOR!

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I would like some clarification on the differential statement though. I find that the differential does exactly what a Torque biased differential should be doing.

I think the weak link in the twins is the space behind the steering wheel.

Let's take driver out of the equation, assume every driver is the average person.

The Torsen diff works fine. It's linear, transparent, and easy to drive on.

Now put in a fast driver, and pushing the limits of traction, having a better mechanical LSD in the car will allow you to get on the gas earlier, have more control over throttle-induced oversteer, and generally give you more control over the car's tendancies at the limits.

The diff itself is fine for 99% of us. For the 1% of us that want to do more with the car other than going fast onto an onramp, it's probably the single-biggest upgrade you can make that won't expose other "weak links".

Confused? See thread(s) on suspension upgrade vs tire upgrade, and why a tire upgrade is almost a must when you upgrade suspension stiffness. You could upgrade tires to get the most out of your diff upgrade, but it's not a necessity.

-alex

[themadscientist]

In the discussions on the electronics locking up when a wheel lifts, I can't help but wonder if a proper clutch LSD might alleviate that somewhat by not spinning the lifted wheel as much so panic brake never triggers. I didn't want the Torsen to begin with, but it came with the trim package I wanted so there it is. It didn't get squirrelly on the test drive, but then again that was a rental car and I wasn't pushing it as hard as I would my own car. I'll wait and see how my car performs when I take delivery, but the first time it loses its mind, Cusco is getting a call.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Let's take driver out of the equation, assume every driver is the average person.

The Torsen diff works fine. It's linear, transparent, and easy to drive on.

Now put in a fast driver, and pushing the limits of traction, having a better mechanical LSD in the car will allow you to get on the gas earlier, have more control over throttle-induced oversteer, and generally give you more control over the car's tendancies at the limits.

The diff itself is fine for 99% of us. For the 1% of us that want to do more with the car other than going fast onto an onramp, it's probably the single-biggest upgrade you can make that won't expose other "weak links".

Confused? See thread(s) on suspension upgrade vs tire upgrade, and why a tire upgrade is almost a must when you upgrade suspension stiffness. You could upgrade tires to get the most out of your diff upgrade, but it's not a necessity.

-alex

I fully understand why you would want an upgraded differential at that 1%, however; at that 1% would upgrading the tires also have added benefit.

At that 1% everthing, from rake, camber, caster, toe, body flex, list goes on on on.

While I don't doubt that upgrading your differential will net faster lap times at the 1%, but so would upgrading the tires.

What I am getting at is: all things remaining the same, do you feel upgrading just the differential in a twin will net faster lap times than just upgrading the tires?

[troek]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

Dizzle, again, search. Come out of the closet already.

Troek, head out to the C1 and look for Nagata-sans GT-R. DEFEND OUR HONOR!

smokey dosnt run that thing on the c1, too buys doing time attacks. a few of my buddys got engines built buy them(one day smokey was checking his tire pressures for him at fuji lol), so ive peaked around in the shop for awhile, before the shop manager kicked me out lol. they have an 86 they run too, last time i saw it was awhile ago at fuji and something in the motor blew up.

[themadscientist]

I was able to visit the shop a few years ago. I got off the train at the Chiba station and decided to walk. I know, I know. I didn't appreciate at the time what the distance was. I know it now! Nice place. I wish we had proper operations like that down here.

If I get to a point where I want to seriously mod the BRZ, I'm going to have to put it on a ferry. I'm not letting some Oki chop shot screw up my new car.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by troek

you mean to tell me my $25,000 car CAN'T beat super cars?????????

It can, but only if Randy Pobst is driving it.

[troek]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

I was able to visit the shop a few years ago. I got off the train at the Chiba station and decided to walk. I know, I know. I didn't appreciate at the time what the distance was. I know it now! Nice place. I wish we had proper operations like that down here.

If I get to a point where I want to seriously mod the BRZ, I'm going to have to put it on a ferry. I'm not letting some Oki chop shot screw up my new car.

You dont even have a proper track down there

[themadscientist]

Nope. We had a large parking lot they would hold "worlds tiniest gymkana" and 150m drag racing. That was fun, launching your car at the end of a 1/10th mile bowl shaped parking lot with a 10 foot wall of dirt at the end if you couldn't get the car stopped in time. HKS brought down their GT-R and it didn't even wind out first gear.