MSN.com hating on the twins!

[themadscientist]

So, Dizzle. Did you put your e-penor away? Are we done? I was promised so much.

[frsvr4]

Haha I love my 6 spd mazda6 because it's reliable, was super cheap brand new (2010 - they couldn't sell the manuals), and has a decent interior. Couldn't honestly tell you how it handles because its FWD and, well, why?

This thread did not go as OP expected but yeah, MSM sucks. Show your disapproval by giving your "clicks" to some other sites. I love that the first rational voice in this thread was a former 3000GT owner -- someone whose seen ample, actually ignorant, "hating".

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I was content letting it go that there is more competition out there than I expected, but then I started digging into your claims. Not only does that vehicle cost ten thousand dollarsmore than the base Mazda6, it didn't actually compare very well according to Car and Driver.


I specifically stated the mazda 6 grand touring which IN FACT has an MSRP of (Drum Roll) $30,690, and ONLY comes in a 6 speed automatic.

And a Subaru Legacy 3.6R has a base MSRP of (Drum Roll) 30,390.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

That review is garbage because they don't even know what the results were from their own tests!

In that article they have the 3.6r 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. In the margin to the right, plain as day, they have the mazda 6 @ 7.9.

The Subaru weighs 600 lbs. more, no manual transmission option, has a longer braking distance and loses out on the skidpad by 0.08g. Yes I'll take the Mazda. The victor will be determined mostly by the track layout and if it rewards power or handling, at least at the end of the day odds are I'll have a bigger smile getting out of the Mazda than the Subie even if I am slower.

Man. That car and driver article is sooo biased. Yes, the mazda 6 had a higher lateral Gs on a skid pad. BUT did you read exactly how it was tested? 3.6r was tested via 300 ft diameter on the skid-pad. The mazda 6 was tested on a 200 ft diamter. You have to test the same to be able to compare the two.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review

In a heads up comparison of fully loaded four bangers they gave the 6 the nod over the Accord:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

You should actually read what you decide to cite.

[totopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Completely factual and I see no signs of hate anyplace. In fact they actually point out that the cars are not meant for a straight line run. The cars do look faster (in a straight line) then they are.

Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ

With a focus on suspension tuning and handling, the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ are some of the most capable autocross cars straight off the dealer lots. But their straight-line acceleration doesn't quite live up to the exterior's sporty styling.


Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ

With a focus on suspension tuning and handling, the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ are some of the most capable autocross cars straight off the dealer lots. But their straight-line acceleration doesn't quite live up to the exterior's sporty styling. While the pair can deliver a 0-60 mph sprint in the low 6.0-second range and a quarter-mile pass in the high 14.0-second range, their slippery profile would suggest much quicker acceleration.

I dunno how factual that statement is . Maybe if you say for its price, but otherwise there are quite a bit of cars in the inelligible, SS, AS, and BS groups ahead of it.

[abraxis]

Good god, no matter what thread I click on they're all the same.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Good god, no matter what thread I click on they're all the same.

Yep!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by totopo

I dunno how factual that statement is . Maybe if you say for its price, but otherwise there are quite a bit of cars in the inelligible, SS, AS, and BS groups ahead of it.

Looks fast but really isn't is a very apt description.
Granted I would have agreed even more with the statement (as somebody already said) "Looks faster then it really is".
I am not one of the "oh god it is sooo slow" crowd but do agree it looks like it should go faster.

[tennisfreak]

Jeeze too many people are getting their panties in a wad over this.

I read the article and dont think it is hating.

What they say is true, our car IS SLOW and it does LOOK FAST.

Hell even after spending upwards of $2000 in exhaust mods and a tune IT IS STILL SLOW.

[abraxis]

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[Jond63]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

/sarcasm?

Or do you really think a mazda 6 grand touring is going to be better than a subaru legacy 3.6r in an autoX course?

Not at all -- Mazda continues to design and deliver cars with much better and sportier handling than pretty much all of its competition. I'm pretty sure that Legacy will pitch and roll as it understeers its way through the course much more than the Mazda. Maybe someday I will find out.

[FRiSson]

Originally Posted by mhughett

I'd like to know who thinks that a Nissan Juke, Toyota Corolla, Chevy Impala and Dodge Dart actually "look fast".

The Juke looks fast. Warthogs are wicked fast - 30mph according to National Geographic.

[Mr.Impreza]

I don't know msn......the speed limit everywhere is at a point where even a Nissan Micra or a Honda Fit is well fitted to the street.

I drive the FRS at like 60km/h everyday...since i mostly city commute.

If i owned a exotic sports car i would still be driving 60km/h.....just wasting more on gas doing it

[Defuser]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

I don't know msn......the speed limit everywhere is at a point where even a Nissan Micra or a Honda Fit is well fitted to the street.

I drive the FRS at like 60km/h everyday...since i mostly city commute.

If i owned a exotic sports car i would still be driving 60km/h.....just wasting more on gas doing it

I agree with this, traffic is a social equalizer. I go just as fast as a Lambo when I'm stuck in traffic. I get frustrated sitting bumper-to-bumper in my FRS, I can't imagine how much more frustrating it must be behind the wheel of a supercar. All that power, nowhere to go...

[fang_gt86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

If i owned a exotic sports car i would still be driving 60km/h.....just wasting more on gas doing it

If I can afford/own an exotic/supercar, you think I'd care much about how much gas my car use?