FR-S Future Models 2016+

[Wise]

Here is my definition of a Sportscar.

MUST FALL INTO AT LEAST TWO OF THE BELOW CATEGORIES.

- Two doors (Not including Vans or Trucks)
- No rear seats (Not including Vans or Trucks)
- High hp per litre ratio engine AND/OR Turbocharged
- RWD or AWD format
- Sold exclusively as a sports themed vehicle, not derived from a economy base model

Obviously there will be a few exceptions to the rule, but I find the above to be a pretty good guide.

[themadscientist]

GT-R has a back seat. I will notify Nissan of its mistake.

[extrashaky]

Front wheel drive cars do not handle like rear wheel or all wheel drive cars. The difference is enough to disqualify them. If it's FWD, you're just dragging a dead rear end around. You really have one too many wheels adding weight. You might as well add a trailer.

There is no such thing as a "purpose built" FWD sports car. If it were purpose built for performance, it wouldn't be FWD.

Originally Posted by themadscientist

GT-R has a back seat. I will notify Nissan of its mistake.

Is it a hilarious back seat?

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Subaru also had the SVX, which was meant to compete with the Supra.

The WRX and EVO are not sports cars. They are economy/family cars dressed up with go-fast parts. There is no such thing as a four-door sports car. Even the fact that people race them does not make them sports cars. People race pickup trucks.

The Mitsubishi GTO, FTO and Eclipse were all front wheel drive. So were the Acura Integra, Honda Prelude and Honda Del Sol. There is no such thing as a front wheel drive sports car. Those are economy cars masquerading as sports cars. The Del Sol is particularly funny because it was just a Civic dressed up to look like a sports car so that people who couldn't actually afford sports cars could pretend they had one.

At best some of these can be classified as sport coupes or sport compacts, classifications that were created to distinguish them from actual sports cars. You can take one of these cars, pump $60K into them to make them faster and STILL not have a sports car.

I agree with you about FWD, but perhaps you should make a distinction between "sports car" and "performance car"... because AWD cars like the Evo and WRX can be made to be very high performance cars.

Hell, an Impreza L GC8 just won Super Lap Battle. It's arguably the fastest time attack car in the country right now. (Neck and neck with the FXMD NSX)

[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Front wheel drive cars do not handle like rear wheel or all wheel drive cars. The difference is enough to disqualify them. If it's FWD, you're just dragging a dead rear end around. You really have one too many wheels adding weight. You might as well add a trailer.

There is no such thing as a "purpose built" FWD sports car. If it were purpose built for performance, it wouldn't be FWD.



Is it a hilarious back seat?

Functional, surprisingly. You can actually get a lil sumpinsumpin in the back.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Wise

Here is my definition of a Sportscar.

MUST FALL INTO AT LEAST TWO OF THE BELOW CATEGORIES.

- Two doors (Not including Vans or Trucks)
- No rear seats (Not including Vans or Trucks)
- High hp per litre ratio engine AND/OR Turbocharged
- RWD or AWD format
- Sold exclusively as a sports themed vehicle, not derived from a economy base model

Obviously there will be a few exceptions to the rule, but I find the above to be a pretty good guide.

Now this is pretty much the standard definition of a "sports car" but once again drive wheels are never mentioned anyplace where there is an official definition.

[Amaya]

Originally Posted by Wise

Here is my definition of a Sportscar.

MUST FALL INTO AT LEAST TWO OF THE BELOW CATEGORIES.

- Two doors (Not including Vans or Trucks)
- No rear seats (Not including Vans or Trucks)
- High hp per litre ratio engine AND/OR Turbocharged
- RWD or AWD format
- Sold exclusively as a sports themed vehicle, not derived from a economy base model

Obviously there will be a few exceptions to the rule, but I find the above to be a pretty good guide.

I think I would define a sports car as any car designed to perform at a higher level than your average commuter car. I would use your definition for "good sports cars"

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I agree with you about FWD, but perhaps you should make a distinction between "sports car" and "performance car"... because AWD cars like the Evo and WRX can be made to be very high performance cars.

So can pickup trucks. People even race them. They're still not sports cars.

Originally Posted by Amaya

I think I would define a sports car as any car designed to perform at a higher level than your average commuter car.

That would make this a sports car:



Not a sports car.

[Amaya]

That would make this a sports car:



Not a sports car.[/QUOTE]

Lol, I was just waiting for someone to say something like this.

[Amaya]

And I doubt that car performs to a higher level except maybe in one area

[DantKR]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

So can pickup trucks. People even race them. They're still not sports cars.

Well, it's not a sports car... because it's not a car. It's still can be a RACE truck. STi's aren't necessarily sports cars but they can be RACE/Rally cars. Just because it isn't a "sports car"(By your limited definition which not everyone agrees and nor will everyone ever 100% agree). Quit trying to push your ideals using bad examples like trucks. Camry isn't a "sports car", but there are "race car" version of them. I don't mind you using different cars to try and prove your point, but please stop bringing up trucks, because no one said anything about trucks except you. We all know trucks aren't cars. They never will be, but there are RACE versions of those vehicles out there.

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

I prefer my car have no breaks at all.

I see what I did there

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by themadscientist

That thing continues to piss me off. Nissan's infatuation with CVTs is infuriating. I'm a Nissan guy; I've been in Skylines of all types for years, Silvias and 180SXes too and as I look for a new car, they have nothing for me, but the 370Z which is about as exciting as dry toast.

I didn't like it when Toyota tried to invoke the memory of the hachiroku to sell the new car, it's marketing bs. The idx is purposefully trying to recall the 510 and most of my Nissan cohorts are eating it up, but then Nissan does what Nissan does, they get vague and start talking about weak engines and CVTs with little buttons as if it's a proper manual.

You know what, Nissan, **** you. Enough of your shit. Leave that crate of R32 parts by the door and leave your garage keys in the bowl. We are done. I want to see other cars.



And no, it's NOT me, it IS you.

Why won't they just give us an S16? ;(

Just update the S15 exterior design and suspension design/geometry, give us an inline 4 turbo and a car weighing 2500-2800 lbs.... BOOM, car of the year.

A new light sports coupe from Nissan with a small turbo engine and suspension design similar to the 370z would rape... The 370z definitely handles better than the old Silvias in terms of design. The car itself is just too heavy and the engine not that impressive. An updated modern Silvia is what we need. This... this is what dreams are made of... ;(

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

So can pickup trucks. People even race them. They're still not sports cars.

I think the point is that not everyone cares about the term "sports car"... I, myself, prefer them. The idea of a "pure" driving experience. Light weight, RWD, and extremely agile. That's what driving is about for me.

However, there are plenty of performance cars that aren't "sports cars" and can, in fact, be faster on a track (no, not offroad truck racing in the dirt) than sports cars. So, who really cares? It comes down to taste and opinions. I'm a diehard RWD fan, but nowadays AWD is dominating racing events where RWD and AWD are racing together.

By the way, there are many who would argue that the FRS/BRZ/GT86 aren't necessarily sports cars. They are most similar to the 240sx/Silvia, which originally wasn't really considered a sports car. It was considered a new "turbo machine".... came with 4 seats.... not extremely sporty stock... a good looking RWD economy car that can be made to be fast, basically... but not a "sports car" in the same vein as an S2000, Miata, Lotus, etc.... The FRS is very similar. It's pretty much the S16 Nissan never gave us, only without a turbo. Although it has great steering and handling stock, it's pretty much a modified Impreza in many ways. I'm 100% certain the idea for the FRS/BRZ/86 came from drifters who were using RWD-converted Imprezas in competition. Hence, the partnership with Subaru to build a production version...

The classic definition of a sports car, in my mind, will always be a small, light, agile 2 seat open-top performance car. But there are many other types of performance cars nowadays... and some of them are just as, if not more, exciting.

RWD is, of course, more dangerous, more exciting, and more pure. Hence, IndyCar and F1. Therefore, RWD will always be champion :P but to discount the AWD WRXs and Evos that kill on the track nowadays is dumb...