Dfw shop for installs

[Griever423]

Originally Posted by Shneegle

20Firestorm13 uses the Stage 2 Innovate S/C if I recall correctly. AWD Tuning is a good place to have a FI kit installed. However do your research when it comes to having them build one for your car. Know what is possible and keep in mind it takes money to go FI. My $.02.

@20firestorm13 Does AWD Tuning have a Turbo kit yet that uses the stock internals?

As far as I know they don't have their own turbo kit. Like you eluded to, they can custom make you one but it's a lot more expensive than going with something already out there.

[20firestorm13]

Originally Posted by Shneegle

20Firestorm13 uses the Stage 2 Innovate S/C if I recall correctly. AWD Tuning is a good place to have a FI kit installed. However do your research when it comes to having them build one for your car. Know what is possible and keep in mind it takes money to go FI. My $.02.

@20firestorm13 Does AWD Tuning have a Turbo kit yet that uses the stock internals?

Greiver hit the nail on the head. AWD does not have their own kit that they make, it's not worth it tbh. They can do most kits with stock internals, I am running the stage 2 Innovate kit and I am running stock internals. This is again, at your own risk type of deal, if you want to go with a turbo and try to run 20+ PSI.. there is a pretty good chance you are going to have a rough day. Running it on 10ish? Maybe not so bad.

When it comes to cost, it really depends on you. What do you want to do. I have a surge tank, injectors, the stage 2 kit and some other things, so over all it wasn't super expensive in the grand scheme of things (expensive is in the eye of the guy holding the money btw)

On really any FI application, you will probably want to run bigger injectors, I went to E85 at the same time I changed injectors but that is a personal preference.

It's a great place to at least get pricing and get a feel of what you want to do.

[cf6mech]

Firestorm is one of a very few satisfied customers with AWD for anything but a tune and they have messed quite a few of those up,....I had to endure a year and a half nightmare with them, I spent a ton of cash, probably 4 times what Firestorm spent on his build. Shade tree install work and many repeat visits to get things installed correctly with me finally pulling out to get it done right at another shop out of pure utter frustration and thoughts of talking to lawyers... As your car is there it might become one of the owners daily drivers as my car was as I found out later with zipcash tollroad bills sent too my house,...nice huh?.........in addition I was charged for things not done or parts not installed in my car...(I have witnesses).... I have no reason to post this but to WARN others. I will ask you if your serious about getting work done to your car by AWD,.. to personally go to a few other shops in the Metroplex ,...(do not just make a few phone calls as people are hesitant to call a shop out over the phone, but speak candid in person).....and ask them their opinion of AWD's work. Do any of you know the History of their touted Subaru STI "Mexico car" and how they ripped that Gentleman from Mexico off. Since my un-pleasantries I have heard a lot of other nightmares besides mine and other troubles with this shop, like I said there is no reason for me to post this and if you do your research, which you should as we all work hard for our money, you will find my example is not an anomaly. To put it plainly stay far away from AWDTuning and do not drink their koolaid as they do have a small fan base that will defend them.

A little history,.....wanted a built motor with FI for my FRS.....they gave me no indication that they couldn't handle it or not produce it on time and they gladly took my money,...first build given to me as "done" resulted in many revisits for fuel issues and the car stranding me in the middle of nowhere with the tank reading half full but actually being empty,....cause..... they never indexed the top of the fuel sending unit correctly..,....along with that it was never sealed correctly causing the smell of E85 to fill the car,....I also had E85 LEAKING DIRECTLY ON MY EXHAUST MANIFOLD under the hood which I had to fix myself temporarily ASAP for safety (its amazing it didn't burn to the ground),...this issue and the fuel quantity was never actually fixed. Why was this not caught?.....why was the car given to me in this manner?.....haven't a clue. I immediately buy a fire extinguisher and have it readily available driving this car.


Get the car back as "done" again, fuel quantity is still off, drive it maybe a week not really doing any hard pulls as I'm feeling the car out and it suddenly is blowing white smoke out the exhaust, forward cat blew and destroys the turbo, of course its all my fault and no offer to get it fixed at reduced or cost price,...I pay full retail.


Get the car back again as "done" drive it maybe two weeks many small issues, still have a questionable fuel line which I watch till I can get it fixed properly, fuel quantity still off and now its knocking and I shut it off immediately, during this time I had Driveshaft Shop axles installed and who ever installed them ripped a hole in the CV boot and I got grease all over the inside of my left rear wheel.


They yank the engine and tell me one crank bearing is smashed. They promise to rebuild at cost, .......not going to happen, months later they forget this conversation, I pay full retail and I'm a hostage so I pay, I also give adamant orders to the shop to only tune to 10 psi on the second build , from what I have seen so far of their handy work I plan on immediately taking the car to another shop to have it completely gone over as the whole car is very questionable from installs to the tune.


Second build new Pauter Rods and all new Arias pistons to error on the safe side. Get the car back as "done" once again and now at a mild 10psi tune it has a oil leak now, take it back they check it out and the answer I get is "since it is a low turbo mount its normal" serious that's what they tell me. Total frustration at this point with these people and their ineptness I just want to count my losses and get my car back after being jacked around by them for 16 months, upon further investigation the oil leak is a rear main seal leak, obviously not an easy fix and something definitely a result of their work and they don't want to either 1) acknowledge it or 2) fix there fuck up. There is much much more than this but I don't want to bore you, to the inter cooler pipes rubbing hard on engine accessories almost half through the wall thickness to how my Zeitronixs wideband was wired under the dash with electrician's tape and the routing rats nest. Anybody wanting to PM me is welcome to do so, I have nothing to hide and will speak honest with you.

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[willharp360]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Firestorm is one of a very few satisfied customers with AWD for anything but a tune and they have messed quite a few of those up,....I had to endure a year and a half nightmare with them, I spent a ton of cash, probably 4 times what Firestorm spent on his build. Shade tree install work and many repeat visits to get things installed correctly with me finally pulling out to get it done right at another shop out of pure utter frustration and thoughts of talking to lawyers... As your car is there it might become one of the owners daily drivers as my car was as I found out later with zipcash tollroad bills sent too my house,...nice huh?.........in addition I was charged for things not done or put into my car...(I have witnesses).... I have no reason to post this but to WARN others. I will ask you if your serious about getting work done to your car by AWD,.. to personally go to a few other shops in the Metroplex ,...(do not just make a few phone calls as people are hesitant to call a shop out over the phone, but speak candid in person).....and ask them their opinion of AWD's work. Do any of you know the History of their touted Subaru STI "Mexico car" and how they ripped that Gentleman from Mexico off. Since my un-pleasantries I have heard a lot of other nightmares besides mine and other troubles with this shop, like I said there is no reason for me to post this and if you do your research, which you should as we all work hard for our money, you will find my example is not an anomaly. To put it plainly stay far away from AWDTuning and do not drink their koolaid.
A little history,.....wanted a built motor with FI for my FRS.....they gave me no indication that they couldn't handle it or not produce it on time and they gladly took my money,...first build given to me as "done" resulted in many revisits for fuel issues and the car stranding me in the middle of nowhere with the tank reading half full but actually being empty,....cause..... they never indexed the top of the fuel sending unit correctly..,....along with that it was never sealed correctly causing the smell of E85 to fill the car,....I also had E85 LEAKING DIRECTLY ON MY EXHAUST MANIFOLD under the hood which I had to fix myself temporarily ASAP for safety (its amazing it didn't burn to the ground),...this issue and the fuel quantity was never actually fixed. Why was this not caught?.....why was the car given to me in this manner.....haven't a clue. I buy a fire extinguisher and have it readily available.


Get the car back as "done" again, fuel quantity is still off, drive it maybe a week not really doing any hard pulls as I'm feeling the car out and it suddenly is blowing white smoke out the exhaust, forward cat blew and destroys the turbo, of course its all my fault and no offer to get it fixed at reduced or cost price,...I pay full retail.


Get the car back again as "done" drive it maybe two weeks many small issues, still have a questionable fuel line which I watch till I can get it fixed properly, fuel quantity still off and now its knocking and I shut it off immediately, during this time I had Driveshaft Shop axles installed and who ever installed them ripped the CV boot and I got grease all over the inside of my left rear wheel.


They yank the engine and tell me one crank bearing is smashed. They promise to rebuild at cost, .......not going to happen, I pay full retail and I'm a hostage so I pay, I also decide to stay at 10 psi and, from what I have seen so far, plan on immediately taking the car to another shop to have it completely gone over as the whole car is very questionable from installs to the tune.


Get the car back as "done" and now at a mild 10psi tune it has a oil leak now on this second build, take it back they check it out and the answer I get is "since it is a low turbo mount its normal" serious that's what they tell me. Total frustration at this point with these people and their ineptness I just want to count my losses and get my car back after being jacked around by them for 16 months, upon further investigation the oil leak is a rear main seal leak, obviously not an easy fix and something definitely a result of their work and they don't want to either acknowledge it or fix there fuck up. There is much much more than this but I don't want to bore you, to the inter cooler pipes rubbing hard on engine accessories almost half through the wall thickness to how my Zeitronixs wideband was wired under the dash with electrician's tape and the routing rats nest. Anybody wanting to PM me is welcome to do so, I have nothing to hide and will speak honest with you.

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Do you happen to be the guy doing the LS swap at Vorshlag? If so, I've heard your story quite a few times and it sucks AWD treated you and your car so badly

[robr]

Few quick things, read into them as much or as little as you want:

1. The fuel pump/tank seal seems to be a one-time use seal, especially with E85. When I put the pump in our shop car (now mine), the car had a few hundred miles on it. I checked the seal thoroughly before reinstalling it. Was fine with pump fuel - no smell in the cabin at all. Switched to E85, and it was like there wasn't even a seal there it was so bad inside the car. Took it apart, seal looked brand new still. Same thing though, car reeked of E85. Car was still Aaron's at the time, so he just sealed it at his house with RTV or whatever he had lying around one weekend. Problem solved. When we place an order for something else I will order a new seal, but until then what I consider a temporary fix is working well. We've experienced the same thing on the few other twins we've done on pump and E85. So until I replace my seal with a new factory one and determine if that's the correct fix or not, we consider them a one-time use item, regardless of mileage. Cars we've gotten in with owner-installed pumps have been doing the same thing (if they've been using E85).

2. We were building our turbo setup the same time AWD was building your first one. They are the sole reason my car has a very conservative 11psi 363rwhp tune and not the 450rwhp we bought everything intending to build for. Now (read: "now" is almost a year already) that we know the full reason for some issues they encountered with your car I just need a minute to turn mine up a bit. Glaring issues on their part aside, it was a brand new platform at the time, so some teething issues were to be expected.

[pleong]

so THAT's why my cabin smells like fuel... LOL When I had it retuned and temporarily running 93, it filled the cabin up so bad it was giving me a headache.. but once i switched back to E85 I couldn't really smell it.. I opened up the tank and the seal seems to be pinched, so I tried resealing it.. I still get a bit of E85 smell but I guess it is a one time use thing.. I'll have to replace that later Thanks Robr!

[robr]

Re: teething issues. I did say "Glaring issues on their part aside" because I know a very large portion of your problems weren't teething issues. I'd consider the pump seal a teething issue, stuff like that.

As to why we discussed things with them: again, we were building ours the same time yours was being built the first time, pre horror stories. So, to us, they were known good Subaru tuners working on a new Subaru platform. Also, at that time we were looking for a new machine shop, and we heard Mary had something in the works, so the stars seemed to have aligned then. There was no reason to not trust them. Obviously we didn't know at the time that the issues they were running into were self-inflicted.

But, we didn't lose anything but the right to say we made a 400rwhp FRS like we wanted, so we have no real reason to be bitter. You, yes, I would be PISSED...and possibly would have jumped in on the lawsuit with the Mexican guy (isn't/wasn't there one other too?).

[robr]

Originally Posted by pleong

so THAT's why my cabin smells like fuel... .. I opened up the tank and the seal seems to be pinched, so I tried resealing it.. I still get a bit of E85 smell but I guess it is a one time use thing.. I'll have to replace that later Thanks Robr!

Well, a pinched seal is an obvious cause. Ours wasn't pinched at all, so there's no reason it should not have resealed properly. Like I said, I don't know if it's a one-time use seal or not, but as of now that's my conclusion. It might not be designed as one, but maybe it's just a bad seal like the passenger tail light seal.

[malubawla]

scw perfomance in carrollton has good prices, and you can rent a lift if you wanted to do the work yourself

[Shneegle]

Originally Posted by malubawla

scw perfomance in carrollton has good prices, and you can rent a lift if you wanted to do the work yourself

Isn't that place more of a JDM automotive parts store? I would think they would be fine helping with small things but IDK about installing a turbo kit or making a kit. Given that the prices are not bad on parts or rental of the lift.

[robr]

Originally Posted by robr

The fuel pump/tank seal seems to be a one-time use seal...blah blah...So until I replace my seal with a new factory one and determine if that's the correct fix or not, we consider them a one-time use item, regardless of mileage.

So, to follow up on this, I can confirm some part of the seal is a one-time use item. The odd part is that there are two #15s in the parts list, and I haven't been able to determine what comes in the set marked as "replace only" but I have yet to call our dealership guy and ask him. I believe it to be the seal that is on the tank itself, but I haven't the foggiest idea why there's a single gasket pictured with 2 different part numbers and completely different prices. Of course there's no real pictures of it from the short time I spent looking. Once I talk to our guy and see if he knows the story, I will order based off that. If he has no idea, I will order both part numbers and sort it out myself....once I get my car back from the body shop.

Part #16 is the large green seal/washer, and does not mention needing to be replaced. I know we have one of these at the shop somewhere, but we never assumed this was the bad seal so it was never replaced.

Still not a real confirmation, I know, but it tells me I'm not out of line for thinking something in there is a one-time use seal.

Note: You can find slightly better prices, I just used whatever site since it let me scroll the parts list and keep the diagram onscreen. A very quick Google consultation shows the SU003-01019 at $30.xx at a few places. So like I said, slightly better prices elsewhere.
Also note: 22, 23, and 24 are the same part numbers as 15, 16, 17, respectively. Interestingly enough, there is only one option for #22, and that is the $32.18 part number.

[cf6mech]

Very cool that you followed up and posted this. BTW I use to drive through Haslet daily on my way to work.....AFW.

[robr]

I'm assuming you mean the airport? I'm probably deeper into the town than you drove through, but still cool you know of the area. Most people don't.

[robr]

The second #15 (the one shown at $3.46) is a generic o-ring that isn't actually there. Apparently all the sites that have this version of the diagram pull part numbers by the description, so it pulled that part for some reason. The actual Toyota diagram does NOT list two part numbers there. I managed to miss that fact when I went from looking at the real diagram to looking at the ones posted online.

The proper replacement seal is the $3X part number.