BRZ Limited vs Genesis coupe 3.8l v6

[Jar]

The wife drives a 2013 GenCoupe 3.8 track edition. It's not bad. It just serves an entirely different purpose than the twins. The gencoupe is essentially a korean pony car, a base mustang GT, only no shitty liveaxel, worlds better suspension, and more HP. It's a great car, but it was never intended to be cross-shopped against a small-displacement 200hp import subcompact coupe, so it's odd that you would consider one against the other.

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

A. The engine is not upgraded, they only discontinued the 4 banger. The V-6 had the same hp previously.

B. This right here: Base Curb Weight (lbs)3503, says enough for me to pass on the Genesis. In reality by the time you have one optioned out you are over 3600lbs.

C. Remember the Genesis is a sedan with 2 doors and the FRS/BRZ is a sports coupe with 2 extra seats. Also have you sat in the Genesis? The rear headroom sucks even more then the FRS/BRZ.

A and B are absolutely correct. C, not so much. The sedan and coupes are based on entirely different chassis platforms, and really only share the Lambda V6 (on the base model sedan) and some interior conventions.

My wife is about the perfect market for the GenCoupe 3.8. She want's a sporty coupe with decent power, good build quality, and decent practicality (for a coupe). I'm willing to bet she would be just as happy in a (albeit, 2015) mustang, a 370z, or maybe a 335i coupe. She really liked the BRZ (it was her favorite to drive when we shopped for her last year) but the gencoupe 3.8 was just so much more car for the money. Once we talked the dealer down from 37k to 28k, it was a no-brainer.

Now we have both a white gencoupe and a white BRZ in our garage. My BRZ looks like a prettier, mini version of her car.

[tennisfreak]

You can't argue the price of a Gen Coupe because it is unbeatable.
Getting a 3.8 for under $30k is just more car than any other brand offers.
Nissan has discounted the 370z pretty heavily this last year but that is still strictly a coupe.

[dpesce]

Originally Posted by iLaw

One thing that I didn't like about the Gen Coupe (and most Hyundai's actually) is the choice to illuminate all the interior gauges and buttons BLUE. Blue is the most annoying colour of light you can stare into at night.

Or maybe I'm just weird. But it bothered me so much when I test drove the Gen Coupe.

Pretty sure Blue is known to disrupt sleep patterns and affect the ability of the eye to focus. Spot on. I had green interior lights in my shitstang and thought it would be a good idea to go blue. Made the overnight trip from NC to MD absolutely stressful... never again.

[Jar]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

You can't argue the price of a Gen Coupe because it is unbeatable.
Getting a 3.8 for under $30k is just more car than any other brand offers.
Nissan has discounted the 370z pretty heavily this last year but that is still strictly a coupe.

It's not just the V6, the gencoupe's got a lot of value added shit.

For instance, the suspension is really well done. The springrate is obviously high, but manages that without being uncomfortably stiff. (It was better than my STi was). 4-pot brembos up front, staggered 19 inch alloys, factory tower strut bar, factory exhaust is nice and audible. Even little touches like an oil temp gauge, steel valve stems etc. Factor in a 100k factory warranty, and there's a lot of car there for the 28.5k we spent on it.

In my opinion the BRZ is still a better car for all of the reasons that have already been stated, hence why I bought one, but the gencoupe shouldn't be dismissed.

Wife's car and mine. It's pretty surprising just how tiny the 86 is parked next to the already small-ish Korean compact.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dpesce

Pretty sure Blue is known to disrupt sleep patterns and affect the ability of the eye to focus. Spot on. I had green interior lights in my shitstang and thought it would be a good idea to go blue. Made the overnight trip from NC to MD absolutely stressful... never again.

My 08 Lancer GTS had all red for everything on the dash and it didn't bother me in the least.
Traded for a 12 and they had really messed up the works as an "improvement".
Stereo and heater controls in the center dash were all still red.
Speedo, tach and gauges now were in bright white.
The "info center" in the middle of the gauges was bright blue and white and I found it completely unbearable for any long drives.
The biggest problem was I could not turn down the intensity of the blue without all the other colours pretty much disappearing!
Point being, I agree the blue is the worst I have had to deal with.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Here's 22 pages of research for ya:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65790

Whatever gets your rocks off is what gets your rocks off. It's been said time and time again: buying a slow car and spending money to make it fast is less efficient than just buying the fast car in the first place.

Dezoris makes a lot of long winded videos about modifying the Toyobaru for 'more', might be worth your time.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40792

Surely not dollar wise, not experience gaining wise, and even if it isn't as efficient, it's sure as hell a lot more satisfying...i.e. the whole, I'd rather lose by a mile in a car I built than win by an inch in something someone else built for me...

Jaden

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Surely not dollar wise, not experience gaining wise, and even if it isn't as efficient, it's sure as hell a lot more satisfying...i.e. the whole, I'd rather lose by a mile in a car I built than win by an inch in something someone else built for me...

Jaden

Read the things I linked.

But I feel like pontificating so here it goes, this is all off the cuff and I have zero incentive to back it up so I'll probably blow off any demands for proof and it's all 100% my bullshit and ranting.

Yes your initial investment (car plus mawds) could be less than a used Cayman or Corvette or Mustang GT or Gen Coupe and you could get a package that suits your desires much better.

But that does not include the time invested, I get that it's a hobby, it's not time wasted, you're not tossing $100/hour down the hole doing your own turbo install or putting in a 'stage 3 clutch kit' but it is a cost, a tax on your life to get the car you want.

The Maintenance: you've stepped up to the next level (or 2 or 3 or 4) of performance and you have to keep paying to keep playing: gas, tires, brake pads, oil.

The troubleshooting, plenty of threads here on each modification not going quite right, batteries draining overnight, harsh suspension inducing poor interior panel fitment and noises, axles braking, overheating.

It depends on priorities, if you want that 'blank canvas' and 'form a bond with your car' then nothing I say will change your mind and please, by all means enjoy your car and your experiences it will absolutely be worth it. For most people however, sure they watched Fast and Furious and went 'hell yeah that's awesome!' but really, they want to drive the car and go fast and not worry. This path is not for them, they will get more seat time and more enjoyment out of a car designed for the performance they desire out of the box.

The talking point of 'if you want a fast car, just buy the fast car' applies to most of the hypotheticals "should I buy a FRZ and turbo or Cayman/Corvette/Mustang here's my budget I wanna go fast". For the enthusiast who wants a build, doesn't want a Genesis/Camaro/Whatever they don't even ask this question, the guys who have spent hundreds of hours browsing craigslist for a 240sx or the last un-fucked CRX or the mint FD RX-7 with a blown motor don't usually post up 'how much does lsx swap?'

This all goes before my personal opinion that 90% of owners can't drive this car at 100% as it comes stock off the factory floor today, there are certainly more than 10% of owners rushing to put sticky rubber and coilovers and camber kits on the thing, I don't know just strikes me as foolish. I'd rather steer a guy away from turbo-ing a Toyobaru and buying a Genesis or Mustang with the hope that he stays interested in being a gearhead for life as opposed to having a bad experience, getting in over his head trying to make himself happy and 20 years from now drives a V6 Accord reminiscing about his old sports car to his teenage son to start the cycle all over again.

Edit: It's worth mentioning this site's classified section with dozens of cars that have a laundry list of modifications, whatever the reason is for selling I would gamble that most of the people there have done the math on how much money they're loosing on the mods vs. the handful of months of enjoyment.

[EAGLE5]

Anybody driving this car stock at 100% on the street is insane. I know at least one.

[Jar]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Read the things I linked.

But I feel like pontificating so here it goes, this is all off the cuff and I have zero incentive to back it up so I'll probably blow off any demands for proof and it's all 100% my bullshit and ranting.

I like you.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jar

I like you.

Strat you made a new friend!

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Jar

I like you.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Strat you made a new friend!

That makes 7!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

That makes 7!

I'll be your friend if you want an even number!

[meWant]

test drove a gen coupe today, although the power was nice, the feel of the car as a whole was just kind of lacking, on the other hand the golf R that i had also test drove today felt nicer than the gen coupe. it had more steering feel and still a good amount of power, but in my opinion neither was as fun to drive or made you feel as connected to the road as the BRZ

[8R6]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

C. Remember the Genesis is a sedan with 2 doors and the FRS/BRZ is a sports coupe with 2 extra seats. Also have you sat in the Genesis? The rear headroom sucks even more then the FRS/BRZ.

we have 2 extra seats in our cars?! O_O