Engine Failure (Bearing Rod 2)

[projekkt]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

@stonenewt

That numerical difference is significant from an engineering perspective, so I'm not quite sure what you are laughing about. Regardless, the statistics still favor Toyota quality.

Further, Toyota (and its offshoots) ranks above Subaru in a variety of quality metrics year after year.

Anecdotally, my family has had Toyota vehicles run well into 150,000 plus mile territory with nary a problem. I have probably test driven well over 10 Toyota vehicles over the years; not one of them died on me during the test drive like the sole Subaru we test drove.

So yeah, I would rather have a Toyota powertrain...

I'm not arguing that subaru is more reliable. Just that its pretty rare to have something fail on you during a test drive. But its always statistically possible and you just happen to be lucky!

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I don't know...I really enjoyed the older MR2's I drove, and the 97 TT Supra I had the pleasure of taking out one afternoon....

The first car that got me into cars was an older mr2. I know exactly what you're talking about. Unfortunately, they're not made anymore. If toyota made a great handling sports car with their powertrain quality and the twin's fun factor, I would be all over it. You could probably abuse those things like none other and they still wouldn't break.

[stonenewt]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

That numerical difference is significant from an engineering perspective, so I'm not quite sure what you are laughing about. Regardless, the statistics still favor Toyota quality.

You sure it is because by my research it isn't! Why? Because let's take a look at the Toyota Aygo. It has two partner cars the Citroen C1 & the Peugeot 107, all of them are in the bottom 10 for reliability, however considering they use the same engine etc. there's about 0.75% spread on the number suffering from mechanical problems.

Further, Toyota (and its offshoots) ranks above Subaru in a variety of quality metrics year after year.

Well besides the Subaru Forester seems to be about 1% less likely to suffer from mechanical problems than a Prius (Subaru's & Toyota's most reliable models) & an Aygo seems to be about 4% more likely to suffer from mechanical issues than a WRX STI (the least reliable models for the respective marks). If we go for road side assistance calls from Toyota & Subaru owners by RAC, AA & Greenflag for cars under 5 years old then we see that 17.1% of Subaru customers required assistance excluding accident recovery or punctures while Toyota members were at 19.6%.

Right now the BRZ/GT86 seems ludicrously reliable from assistance figures due to the fact the breakdown is <5 or >5 years old so it's hard to get a feel for the cars until they've been about for 4 years or more.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by stonenewt

You sure it is because by my research it isn't! Why? Because let's take a look at the Toyota Aygo. It has two partner cars the Citroen C1 & the Peugeot 107, all of them are in the bottom 10 for reliability, however considering they use the same engine etc. there's about 0.75% spread on the number suffering from mechanical problems.


Well besides the Subaru Forester seems to be about 1% less likely to suffer from mechanical problems than a Prius (Subaru's & Toyota's most reliable models) & an Aygo seems to be about 4% more likely to suffer from mechanical issues than a WRX STI (the least reliable models for the respective marks). If we go for road side assistance calls from Toyota & Subaru owners by RAC, AA & Greenflag for cars under 5 years old then we see that 17.1% of Subaru customers required assistance excluding accident recovery or punctures while Toyota members were at 19.6%.

Yup, still sure.

I'm talking about here in the U.S. where there are 10 cars for every one in England...England doesn't even have enough cars on the road to be considered a comparable sample size

Besides the Aygo (not sold here) is a joint thing with Peugeot or someone of that sort...of course it's going to have problems...derp

[stonenewt]

Sorry doesn't work like that! When I last looked at pan-europe data you're talking within a 0.25% variance for UK figures.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by stonenewt

Sorry doesn't work like that!

Good thing you don't decide what works and what doesn't...lol

[stonenewt]

If you say that there are different conditions in the US which will change the reliability factor of a vehicle then you may be able to make a case. After all, you get different engines in the US compared to Europe on some models. However the sample size is a load of BS, the UK market is more than big enough to give the same data quality as you'd get from a 10x larger sample.

[stugray]

My cars in the last few years:
84 Toyota Supra
85 Toyota Supra
84 Cressida
89 Supra
99 Solara (still have this one)
NEVER had a mechanical problem on those cars other than a water pump and O2 sensors that are both considered consumable.
I only bought the BRZ because I considered it "mostly" toyota, and they still dont have a US replacement for the Supra.

[Ultramaroon]

I only bought an frs because it's cool.

[xwd]

Originally Posted by stugray

My cars in the last few years:
84 Toyota Supra
85 Toyota Supra
84 Cressida
89 Supra
99 Solara (still have this one)
NEVER had a mechanical problem on those cars other than a water pump and O2 sensors that are both considered consumable.
I only bought the BRZ because I considered it "mostly" toyota, and they still dont have a US replacement for the Supra.

The only Toyota thing on the car is the D4S system with noisy pumps and issues with injector seals leading to blown engines.

I'm a Subaru fanboy but I've owned 9 of them and never had a mechanical issue that wasn't self-inflicted.

[OmarGC]

I've owned 5+ Subarus in the last 9yrs... I put all of them under harsh conditions and heavily modified(done right). Subarus aren't the cars to have if you want efficient and reliable performance(when making power). I'll never own something with a subaru boxer engine again... Hell... Only 4 cylinders I'll ever even just think about using are a k series, 3s, or "later" 4g63's

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

I've owned 5+ Subarus in the last 9yrs... I'll never own something with a subaru boxer engine again...

So it took five tries for you to figure out you don't like Subarus? You hated them so much you kept buying more of them?

I don't understand the mindset behind the posts in this thread. If the engine is such an unreliable piece of shit the way some of you are talking, why in the holy hell did you buy one? "Hey, have you seen this new shitbox FR-S? I gotta have me one o'them. Lemme see if I can scrap together $30K to waste on it so I'll have something to endlessly bitch about."

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

So it took five tries for you to figure out you don't like Subarus? You hated them so much you kept buying more of them?

I don't understand the mindset behind the posts in this thread. If the engine is such an unreliable piece of shit the way some of you are talking, why in the holy hell did you buy one? "Hey, have you seen this new shitbox FR-S? I gotta have me one o'them. Lemme see if I can scrap together $30K to waste on it so I'll have something to endlessly bitch about."

Business reasons actually...

Also, I purchased my frs literally for the chassis. I intended on purchasing this car well before anyone knew what kind of engine was going to come in it...

Also, my shitbox frs doesn't have a subaru engine...(goes with the above)

Also, I love your comments based on assumptions and ignorance

[strat61caster]

Conversations like this exemplify why if you had told me 3 years ago that I would own a Toyota product built after I was born I would have laughed in your face.

Never drive boring.

[BRZnut]

Originally Posted by pushrod

I wanna see pics of this blown engine. Also, I want to know how it's going to be handled by Subaru.

That makes two of us.