Scion iM

[GhostRai]

Originally Posted by amilleri

Actually I remember hearing rumors about Toyota working with Mazda on a new scion based on the speed3 oror 6. Maybe this is it

I believe they said Toyota was borrowing SKYACTIV engines from Mazda. Probably a Mazda 2 engine. I also read in this Toyota magazine that Toyota developed 14 (I think?) new eco-friendlier engines that they will release in 2015.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/08/t...activ-engines/
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB100...93102183691662

[GhostRai]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I think it will be the hatch. Kids don't want wagons.

But... the subaru gtb wagon...

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by GhostRai

I believe they said Toyota was borrowing SKYACTIV engines from Mazda. Probably a Mazda 2 engine. I also read in this Toyota magazine that Toyota developed 14 (I think?) new eco-friendlier engines that they will release in 2015.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/08/t...activ-engines/
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB100...93102183691662

Whoa, thanks for the links, I try to follow this kind of stuff closely but I totally missed this.

New engines from Toyota is nice and all but I get more and more scared that they're going to ditch manual transmissions altogether for the US. However if Mazda's future is bright, maybe that won't matter Anyhow it seems unlikely that Toyota would build any true high performance engines from now on.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by GhostRai

But... the subaru gtb wagon...

I don't think many kids are buying Subaru wagons. Especially now that the WRX is only offered as a sedan.

[Takumi788]

If they wanted to make a wagon appealing they should have just made this...I'd sell my frs for a shooting brake version in a heart beat.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Takumi788

If they wanted to make a wagon appealing they should have just made this...I'd sell my frs for a shooting brake version in a heart beat.

What is this?

[chaoskaze]

^Frs shootingbreak aka if FRS and GTI had a child.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

What is this?

Photoshop our mod Ichitaka did in the olden days.

[STJ]

Originally Posted by reni

I'll just leave this here

Hardly good looking and its a four banger, rather have this! Best Japanese wagon ever made.

[chaoskaze]

hate to say this but i just notice those rims on the iM concept are pretty good...maybe we will find them on 2nd gen 86. lol

[Sasquachulator]

Pretty certain its going to be an americanized Auris hatch (I actually wished this came here back when the Auris was announced I think about a year before the 12th gen corolla). The Auris even has a wagon variant (Auris touring sports hybrid)


anything to ditch that xD. Dunno why that car even existed.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by reni

I'll just leave this here

shame it never made it here.

[wbradley]

Am I the only one here that dislikes Mazda? Long story why, but I sold cars from '87 to '90. I wouldn't give Mazda my money. They are tinny and rust buckets.Flimstest of all the Japanese brands sold here. And how exactly is a CX5 a sports car? They market every model as if it was. They have nothing on Toyotas. Toyota is Japanese design than is NOT flimsy.

They were affiliated with Ford when Ford was shit too. Ford got smart and dumped them as they restructured for the better.

People get all horny over Mazda as if they were the latest pron. I don't get it. They are NOT sports cars.

[df.dima]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Am I the only one here that dislikes Mazda? Long story why, but I sold cars from '87 to '90. I wouldn't give Mazda my money. They are tinny and rust buckets.Flimstest of all the Japanese brands sold here. And how exactly is a CX5 a sports car? They market every model as if it was. They have nothing on Toyotas. Toyota is Japanese design than is NOT flimsy.

They were affiliated with Ford when Ford was shit too. Ford got smart and dumped them as they restructured for the better.

People get all horny over Mazda as if they were the latest pron. I don't get it. They are NOT sports cars.

I obviously don't have a broad experience, but we chose 2012 Mazda 3 for my wife after comparing with Civic and Corolla of same year. Let me tell you, what a crap tin can Corolla is in terms of flimsiness. It drives like shit too. Mazda 3 pleasantly surprised us for a cheap car. I think Toyota is becoming overrated now (or was for some time). While in the show room, I looked at same year Rav4 and Venza, noted same issues of flimsy interior, as well as crudeness in other places.
As far as rust, I don't plan to keep Mazdas until then, that's how I eliminate that worry. I agree Mazda had rust issues, as late as mid-late 2000s Mazda 3 rust fiasco. Too early to say if they improved.
I've read that new generation of SkyActiv Mazdas are even better, I'm yet to poke around them, but I can't wait for next summer when we swap out wife's 3, will consider CX-5 or a 6.

After my mediocre experience at dealerships even for service on my Scion, I don't even consider any of Scion/Toyota cars next. My dad's Lexus has been pretty good tho, it seems those are still on par for quality, but then again most agree current Lexus LS flagship doesn't measure up in terms of bullet prooff-ness to pre 2005 generation (maybe just nostalgic feelings, but seems new LS owners encounter more issues than previous gen).

I used to be a huge Toyota fan, even worked at Cambridge, but things have changed...