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The BRZ is such a sweet heart. Good video.
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Having driven this course a lot I'm not surprised at who beat who but the actual times that were run on this course be it stang or brz. To be able to run 1:30 on this course with weak tires is a feat. And for a V6 stang to run in the1:2x's is crazy. I think that is what people are missing since road courses aren't a universal baseline like 0-60, 1/4mile times.
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ok Spaceywilly and that is y i was surprised that the mustang won the race. i would have never thought the mustang would win in what the brz is supposed to dominate. what this video has shown us if you are going to buy a car to race at willow springs stock get the mustang its 1.5 seconds faster.
so ok lets say you are buying this car to take to the track and you are running in some sort of stock spec class this mustang v6 will beat the brz. now if your buying a car to be sporty, comfortable, and roomy you wouldn't get the brz. so what is the advantage of this car? i am not objecting to what these cars were built for i really like the fr-s and i am seriously considering buying one, but i am surprised that it lost against a v6 mustang. this video showed that the brz/fr-s is slow. i love they way they look and the price is right for me but their is competition from other sources. just wait for the brz/fr-s genesis coup comparison, it would probably be the same. you cannot escape the low torque numbers. those are the most damming numbers. this is not just car x beat car y its truly shocking that a mundane rental car like a v6 stang with no modification beat the brz in its home turf the track. although i agree that the test driver seemed to like the brz more than the stang its still shocking that everyone on this board seems to gloss over the fact that it lost. |
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yes, it is slow and it is fun. That is the point. The point is not to beat Mustang V6's around a track. This video shows how the drivers prefer the slower BRZ to the Mustang V6, which I thought would shut up everyone who keeps saying "who would buy this when it's slower than a Mustang V6?!?!" I guess it will take more than this.
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To drive?
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The BRZ is not a numbers car. Neither is the Miata. But for some people (including the reviewer and Randy Pobst apparently), these are the most rewarding types of cars to drive under $30k. If none of that makes sense to you, don't worry about it. Everyone's built differently and there's nothing wrong with that. |
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i am not a numbers guy they are irrelevant to me, but to dismiss this cars lack of power is stupid to me. what this video showed is their is a lot of competition for the 25-30k rwd 2+2 sports car. i really want to drive the fr-s and make up my own opinion. because what fun to me is when you hit the gas and the car throws you into the back of your seat and when you steer the car it goes where y want. that is all nothing fancy just an awesome driving experience is what i want in my next car. everything else is garbage, but this has shown that their is more than one option and its going to be fun when i go to buy my next car.
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The 86 handles like a dream on Prius tires, the 86 feels amazing and has put a smile on every face that's ever sat inside it. Hell I was ear to ear grinning at the auto show just from the driving position. The stock performance of this car isn't what interested me, it could be slower than a base model civic for all I care.
As much as I love mustangs (and I mean LOVE mustangs), you can make the 86 faster. You can't make the mustang feel like less of a rocket propelled tank.
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Good video review, still half way skeptical that the BRZ will be worth it's price tag when I could just get a WRX but I have no doubt its amazingly enjoyable to drive.
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and dont know how tires can affect you lap times... people post .5 seconds faster at least cold tires vs warmed up tires... 2-3 seconds faster crap tires vs r-comp... since you are a number's guy mustang(with base trim tires) Lateral acceleration 0.88 g (avg) MT figure eight 26.0 sec @ 0.67 g (avg) FRS Lateral acceleration 0.93 g (avg) MT figure eight 25.9 sec @ 0.67 g (avg) heres more numbers for you... set of track package tires for mustang(the ones that are on the head 2 head video) $1400 set of better tires for the brz that will probably post equal times to the mustang around streets of willow $500 that means you can go to the track almost 3 times as many times with the brz vs mustang and post very very similar times ok randy is a VERY good driver and the mustang isnt exactly the easiest car to drive fast, well not compared to the brz/frs/gt86 for that matter around a track the brz wins collectively 1. cheaper to run(brakes,tires,less oil) 2. will post very similar times to the mustang with a proper set of tires.... 3. all your tires,tools, jack will fit in the brz for a track day 4. better gas milage, you will run out of gas after the mustang does(important if you endurance race or if you live more than an hour from the track, making track days possible with 1 tank of gas...) 5. the car is more fun to drive(most important factor, to me at least) 6. no stupid 114 mph rev limiter that the mustang has 7. drive shaft wont explode on me like the mustangs($600 bucks you have to spend on top of the car as soon as you buy it, if you want to track it) 8. car weighs less, every performance part you add will get you more power per lbs 9 the brz has a better manual and automatic transmission(both feel better too) 10 aftermarket support, the brz will have a more competitive aftermarket which means performance parts will have lower prices 11 cheaper to modify: 2 less pistons,2 less rods, 8 less valves, less rings,2 less rod bearings all in all built brz 36-37k ($500 for every tire change) built frs 34-35k built mustang 40-42k($1400 for every tire change)
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