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Old 10-11-2014, 05:51 AM   #43
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Not to call out any brands but I had test fitted bayson r sti side skirts and the figment was great. Thinking that vertex (such a high end brand) would fit the same at least but nope. Id be lucky if it stayed on with 3m double sided tape. To each his own. If you expect a person that works 40 hours a week minimum wage and has bills through out th month to afford a $5000 kit ho long would you think it will take? Not including that things do come up as well. You buy what you can afford. Buying replica parts doesn't make you not a car enthusiast. In reality they just can't afford it and they buy the next best thing that is closest to it. They get for what they pay for and if it's not perfect they will have to deal with those consequences. I'm not here to support replicas nor am I here to tell you that you should buy legit parts. If I know that u are on a beer budget I am not going to tell you to drink Hennessy lol. My brz has plenty of authentic parts on it because I can justify purchasing the part for the price. I also have some replica parts for a couple of reason. 1. I can't find the part to begin with and 2 I can't justify paying $100-$200 for an oem diffuser when there's one on ebay with the same fitment and same quality. Just my 2 cents, not going to tell people what to do but just some advice. If u can afford go ahead and get it )
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@KenTK808 OP I am rooting for you! I hope it fits well so you can tell all the haters cloned RB Fenders watufaka (808 guys will get that)! Who here rocks Winjets? I do! Why? Because I'm not paying an arm and a leg to buy the real JDM Toyota ones, and if you do have JDM ones did you buy the auto leveling? Did you get the auto on feature? If you did good job you are legitimate! The stance world loves you because you went legit.

Who here has Tom's US Versions? If you have them and you hate on OP for buying a cloned kit here's news for you Depo produces them those aren't legit tail lights those aren't #JDM!

What I'm trying to say is for all the people who hate on OP for buying a cloned kit that not everything is real on most people who have mods. It's his money it's his car so what if its a clone, if the fitment is bad it's OP's problem not yours. Quite frankly if this goes well we might see more people doing it. The RB kit is a very nice kit for the FRS but seriously 5k for a body kit! If the fitment is spot on well guess who just saved more money for nice wheels?
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At the end of the day Kei Miura put the effort and work into designing these components, and yes he does not look like he has a problem putting food on the table or supporting his business but again it's not ours to question. It is still his design and by choosing to go with someone who has stolen it and replicated it you are further perpetuating this system. With every dollar you spend in this world you put a vote in for what kind of place you want to live in. You vote for China, you vote for your own selfishness, you vote for design theft. Rocket Bunny is in a point of expansion so I'm fairly confident that much of the profits for that business get fed back into growing bigger and better. However even if that's not the case, you choosing to support the theft of the companies designs hinders the growth of one company by helping expand the Chinese company.

Your insurance is paying for you to repair your vehicle, not upgrade it (downgrade in some opinions judging by other peoples comments). You have chosen this option to put this kit on it, so please do not make it seem like you have no other alternative.

If I come off holier then thou I apologize it is not my intent. I certainly do own chinese products in my home, sometimes we all just care about ourselves and don't view the big picture. I merely wanted to state that there is more to this then you have considered. I wish you luck with the car and your plans.
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With the genuine rocketbunny you are paying for the quality of the parts and you pay for that quality... however thats why i see nothing wrong about having replicas.. you have less quality parts so you pay less.. i cant see how this damages the original designer of this kit... because like someone said here : the people who buy the replicas would have never bought the genuine parts anyway
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thats why i see nothing wrong about having replicas..
It's understandable that you would believe that as well. However when you consider the reality of the situation it's a bit more serious. I'm sure the Rocket Bunny brand is glad that you enjoy the quality of their parts however that is just a fraction of it. When you buy an authentic part you are paying for much more.
-Design time (the designers skills, and the time it takes them to use those skills remember this kit did not exist unless the designer put this time in)
-Design investment (computer,software,models of the car being designed for)
-Concept production/validation (costs in producing a prototype part, supplies, materials,since Kei Miura has his own CNC machine you are also paying for him to own said machine,fitting a prototype part on a FR-S he purchased)
-Production costs (mold making, again more supplies and materials)
-Quality control process (if after all previous steps are done and your product is not sell-able you will have to repeat obviously we all know he fitted original production parts on his personal vehicle)
-Marketing (networking,time investment, websites don't find you if you keep to yourself and act as a hermit in your garage building for yourself)
-Logistics (box supplies and ability to ship products out to customers)
-Warehouse/Shop (... that's a bit obvious)
Kei Miura didn't have to open his own shop, design something he liked, or take that initial risk in life. He could of worked a 9-5 and made it through life like some people do. You could of done it, or anyone else. But he did it, so you are also paying for that. However without him that ebay kit wouldn't exist, so no you are not paying for quality.

When you buy from China they are running a business, those funds go into that business. They will use those funds to replicate the next design, or buy more tooling and grow their operation. Yes some of that money goes to feeding their family. However their business does not exist without your investment in their products. So by buying from a replica distributor you are perpetuating the theft of all those things listed above.

Kei Miura and the Rocket bunny name would be better off if you just fixed your car instead of paying the company that is going to steal his next design. If enough people with your mindset tip the scale eventually he will go out of business. That's as basic as I can possibly get it to.

TL;DR No, you are not just paying for quality. Not buying from China and not buying from Kei Miura is actually better for Kei Miura then buying from China.
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Welcome to Capitalism people, chill out.

This is part of what goes into the business yea it might not be fair but that's how life goes. Not getting into quality but aren't RB kits fiberglass anyways?

If you dont like that he bought an ebay kit, you dont need to be in the thread.
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At the end of the day Kei Miura put the effort and work into designing these components, and yes he does not look like he has a problem putting food on the table or supporting his business but again it's not ours to question. It is still his design and by choosing to go with someone who has stolen it and replicated it you are further perpetuating this system. With every dollar you spend in this world you put a vote in for what kind of place you want to live in. You vote for China, you vote for your own selfishness, you vote for design theft. Rocket Bunny is in a point of expansion so I'm fairly confident that much of the profits for that business get fed back into growing bigger and better. However even if that's not the case, you choosing to support the theft of the companies designs hinders the growth of one company by helping expand the Chinese company.

Your insurance is paying for you to repair your vehicle, not upgrade it (downgrade in some opinions judging by other peoples comments). You have chosen this option to put this kit on it, so please do not make it seem like you have no other alternative.

If I come off holier then thou I apologize it is not my intent. I certainly do own chinese products in my home, sometimes we all just care about ourselves and don't view the big picture. I merely wanted to state that there is more to this then you have considered. I wish you luck with the car and your plans.

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It's understandable that you would believe that as well. However when you consider the reality of the situation it's a bit more serious. I'm sure the Rocket Bunny brand is glad that you enjoy the quality of their parts however that is just a fraction of it. When you buy an authentic part you are paying for much more.
-Design time (the designers skills, and the time it takes them to use those skills remember this kit did not exist unless the designer put this time in)
-Design investment (computer,software,models of the car being designed for)
-Concept production/validation (costs in producing a prototype part, supplies, materials,since Kei Miura has his own CNC machine you are also paying for him to own said machine,fitting a prototype part on a FR-S he purchased)
-Production costs (mold making, again more supplies and materials)
-Quality control process (if after all previous steps are done and your product is not sell-able you will have to repeat obviously we all know he fitted original production parts on his personal vehicle)
-Marketing (networking,time investment, websites don't find you if you keep to yourself and act as a hermit in your garage building for yourself)
-Logistics (box supplies and ability to ship products out to customers)
-Warehouse/Shop (... that's a bit obvious)
Kei Miura didn't have to open his own shop, design something he liked, or take that initial risk in life. He could of worked a 9-5 and made it through life like some people do. You could of done it, or anyone else. But he did it, so you are also paying for that. However without him that ebay kit wouldn't exist, so no you are not paying for quality.

When you buy from China they are running a business, those funds go into that business. They will use those funds to replicate the next design, or buy more tooling and grow their operation. Yes some of that money goes to feeding their family. However their business does not exist without your investment in their products. So by buying from a replica distributor you are perpetuating the theft of all those things listed above.

Kei Miura and the Rocket bunny name would be better off if you just fixed your car instead of paying the company that is going to steal his next design. If enough people with your mindset tip the scale eventually he will go out of business. That's as basic as I can possibly get it to.

TL;DR No, you are not just paying for quality. Not buying from China and not buying from Kei Miura is actually better for Kei Miura then buying from China.
WELL FU*KEN SAID!!!

@MrBlaze-65 people are obviously are naive to owning or comprehend what it takes to run a business... naive to what it takes for R&D... naive to this industry in general. Do you think this "Chinese" knock-off brand invested money into quality materials and research on durability? Doubt it! I wouldn't be surprised if the parts warp or crack overtime.
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@KenTK808 any updates on how this is going.
Ignore the useless brand defenders quite a few people and interested to see more on this.
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Here in lies the problem with many "enthusiasts" in today's world and for the most part why I'm starting to dislike forums so much.... The spread of such shit as these knockoffs.

Now I'm not going to tell you how knockoffs affected me personally because that's irrelevant, but here's some of what you are supporting.


Now before I get into this, when companies such as Vis and ait and extreme dimensions make their own originally things or adapt styling from one kit/car onto another platform with modification, I support it! For instance, the Vis ams hood, fucking love the design and it's actually modified from the g35 style hood but different enough and original to where I will support it, but anyways back to what I was saying.


Many companies such as rocket bunny, d max, origin, hks and so forth spend fucktons of money on r/d, branding, well paid staff, testing AND sponsorship of drivers that push the parts to the absolute limit to ensure that we the consumer get top quality product.


So here you have some company that is constantly working to better not only themselves but us with the most innovative products they can produce... They want to benefit us!!


They want to give us their absolute best, they work day and night and test and scrap old designs and revise until they are absolutely sure that this product will perform they way they want it to or better.


So here you have Miura San, and a personal/dear friend of mine that spends countless sleepless nights designing and not only that... 3d printing masters/creating molds and then purchasing the platform he is designing the kit for or sponsoring a friends car. He is not only investing his time and materials but buying a whole damn car for this v1 kit which his car is now v2.


Greddy and RB also supported many cars in formula drift to give fans what they want by outfitting a few cars!


Now china for the most parts doesn't actually create anything in this industry were in... They either mass produce from molds or create replica products then mass produce at a fraction of the price with shitty material.


Now to all you guys purchasing this kit including the original poster. What you are doing is removing the passion and spirit from each of these companies. You are cause harm to those that invested in the design and production and inventory of these products!!!


The premium on the products is there for a reason, they fit flawless and to be honest I have seen the flares in person and the material is not the same at all.


To the OP, what you are doing in support these shitty knockoffs is shameful and they fact that you are cutting up a brand new car to put these 200 dollar wholesale cost flares is just sad.


Support innovation, buy authentic... Cause soon there won't be anything for us to look forward to.!
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Here in lies the problem with many "enthusiasts" in today's world and for the most part why I'm starting to dislike forums so much.... The spread of such shit as these knockoffs.

Now I'm not going to tell you how knockoffs affected me personally because that's irrelevant, but here's some of what you are supporting.


Now before I get into this, when companies such as Vis and ait and extreme dimensions make their own originally things or adapt styling from one kit/car onto another platform with modification, I support it! For instance, the Vis ams hood, fucking love the design and it's actually modified from the g35 style hood but different enough and original to where I will support it, but anyways back to what I was saying.


Many companies such as rocket bunny, d max, origin, hks and so forth spend fucktons of money on r/d, branding, well paid staff, testing AND sponsorship of drivers that push the parts to the absolute limit to ensure that we the consumer get top quality product.


So here you have some company that is constantly working to better not only themselves but us with the most innovative products they can produce... They want to benefit us!!


They want to give us their absolute best, they work day and night and test and scrap old designs and revise until they are absolutely sure that this product will perform they way they want it to or better.


So here you have Miura San, and a personal/dear friend of mine that spends countless sleepless nights designing and not only that... 3d printing masters/creating molds and then purchasing the platform he is designing the kit for or sponsoring a friends car. He is not only investing his time and materials but buying a whole damn car for this v1 kit which his car is now v2.


Greddy and RB also supported many cars in formula drift to give fans what they want by outfitting a few cars!


Now china for the most parts doesn't actually create anything in this industry were in... They either mass produce from molds or create replica products then mass produce at a fraction of the price with shitty material.


Now to all you guys purchasing this kit including the original poster. What you are doing is removing the passion and spirit from each of these companies. You are cause harm to those that invested in the design and production and inventory of these products!!!


The premium on the products is there for a reason, they fit flawless and to be honest I have seen the flares in person and the material is not the same at all.


To the OP, what you are doing in support these shitty knockoffs is shameful and they fact that you are cutting up a brand new car to put these 200 dollar wholesale cost flares is just sad.


Support innovation, buy authentic... Cause soon there won't be anything for us to look forward to.!
No offense Robert but not everyone's rich or gets sponsored . I support authentic and I was able to afford an authentic RB kit, loads of others can't.
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I don't understand how you can afford a car worth $20k+, can afford to cut into it to install wide fenders, but the difference between $950 real fenders and $500 fake ones is a huge deal.

It's one thing if you're replicating OEM parts, or body kits only available overseas, but if the real company is selling the stuff in the US I feel like it's kind of scummy to go with the rep.

Although admittedly, if I blew up a RB fender, I could see fakes being pretty enticing.
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