FRS FA20 turbo vs FRS lsx/2jz

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by solus

Ha! The axles, differential, suspension, drive shaft, brakes, and all associated components will need work to support that much torque reliably to the ground. Essentially only the body of the twin will remain...

If you think these stock parts will hold up under that kind of stretch then you have a rude awakening coming

You're a special type of stupid... You obviously know nothing about anyone currently doing or that has completed a swap. I'm sure 99.99% of people doing swaps are heavily modified already/in process of modifying the rest of their vehicle in other NEEDED areas. Also, you saying the differential needs to be upgraded tells me you're COMPLETELY ignorant to what will and won't work.

Suggestion: stick to your cheap turbo kit with a Taiwanese turbocharger and replica/knockoff wheels.

[hmong337]

I guess the staff at TOMS are just a bunch of morons for using a 2gr v6 to make 400hp when an FA20 w/ turbo can also do that...?

[solus]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

You're a special type of stupid... You obviously know nothing about anyone currently doing or that has completed a swap. I'm sure 99.99% of people doing swaps are heavily modified already/in process of modifying the rest of their vehicle in other NEEDED areas. Also, you saying the differential needs to be upgraded tells me you're COMPLETELY ignorant to what will and won't work.

Suggestion: stick to your cheap turbo kit with a Taiwanese turbocharger and replica/knockoff wheels.

Somebody got butt hurt real quick, can't take negative feedback?. I'm actually going to enjoy driving my car vs having sit on blocks for years. In another never ending build for a goal that is pointless. Have fun with that...

You're right your car is amazing and you're the God of everything that is Frs...I am awed by your knowledge. I'm sorry, pfft gfys.

[solus]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Why do you need a sports car when a Prius will do? Why do you need a car at all when a bike or your own 2 feet will do?


See how stupid that sounds?





Considering the size of the tires you can stuff under this chassis and how beefy the suspension really is, you're simply 100% wrong.




Sure, if you like single digit gas mileage




Depends on gearing and power levels. I've heard this line before and watched Supras absolutely destroy them...





Depends, with how many trucks and SUVs with idiots behind the wheel around here, a bike is a death wish...




You make it sound like you can't get decent sized rubber under this car, and that it's magically going to snap the chassis in two. It's been consistently proven the chassis is very overbuilt on this car.




Maybe on a car without any tuning that gives full boost in first gear. We've been able to get real traction control with different boost levels per gear for decades now...




Won't fit, would make less power than adding FI to our FA20 because of the dual fuel system we have, etc...





- Axles I dunno of failures from power (lots of failures from being too low, just like the WRX/STI crowd). So what, get beefier ones.


- Differential is the same size as the old MKIII Supra IIRC, so it will take it just fine. Oil cooler will help on high speed runs though.


- Suspension is fine (unless of course you're putting in a much heavier engine, so then you need springs to match)


- Drive shaft is fine and if it needs to be stronger it's no big deal as everyone is swapping them anyway.


- Brakes, there are bolt on options for this and people with stock power are even going to BBK's so I fail to see your point.


THIS CAR WAS DESIGNED TO BE TUNED. They knew all of this stuff would happen and it's why the aftermarket support for this car is huge. Want to stay stock? Good for you, but you're in the minority...

Not saying it can't be done (my comment was more concerning the torque of the LSX swap not necessarily boost). But at some point it will be over built for it capability. It all depends on the purpose of the car. Just because you want 500hp doesn't necessarily mean you NEED 500hp... Just depend what you want to do with it.

[OmarGC]

Originally Posted by solus

Somebody got butt hurt real quick, can't take negative feedback?. I'm actually going to enjoy driving my car vs having sit on blocks for years. In another never ending build for a goal that is pointless. Have fun with that...

You're right your car is amazing and you're the God of everything that is Frs...I am awed by your knowledge. I'm sorry, pfft gfys.

Lol sitting on blocks for yrs? Lol you're so ignorant... Kudos to you. Also, I have other toy I can try to keep me occupied if I choose to. You're filled with so much, life must suck.

Also, my vehicles see competition level use

[FyeaFRS]

booo engine swaps

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by hmong337

I guess the staff at TOMS are just a bunch of morons for using a 2gr v6 to make 400hp when an FA20 w/ turbo can also do that...?

Because it's what gets attention at car shows? Much like JDM companies swapping RB motors into Supras, it's to get attention and means nothing on the performance side.


It's a "look what I can do."

Originally Posted by solus

Not saying it can't be done (my comment was more concerning the torque of the LSX swap not necessarily boost). But at some point it will be over built for it capability. It all depends on the purpose of the car. Just because you want 500hp doesn't necessarily mean you NEED 500hp... Just depend what you want to do with it.

The car is already over built and over building is a GOOD thing. Designing and engineering to withstand only what is expected is how you get catastrophic failures (I'm looking at you BMW)

[Dipstik-sportech]

Originally Posted by hmong337

I guess the staff at TOMS are just a bunch of morons for using a 2gr v6 to make 400hp when an FA20 w/ turbo can also do that...?

If I had the money I'd be swapping a Ferrari f12 v12 engine into my BRZ . It's all the wow factor for car shows, much like lambo doors, extravagant body kits, samurai decals and such.

[AZFA20]

Originally Posted by solus

Ha! The axles, differential, suspension, drive shaft, brakes, and all associated components will need work to support that much torque reliably to the ground. Essentially only the body of the twin will remain...

If you think these stock parts will hold up under that kind of stretch then you have a rude awakening coming

Guess you missed the part where I am coming from a 430whp FA20 FR-S. It has already been through 2 totally different styles of forced induction. Funny that had I been talking about my FA20 at those power levels you would have had nothing to say even though I already am running a big brake system, carbon driveshaft, full coilover system, wide tires, blah blah blah. So I guess I was already driving nothing but a chassis slapped over nothing but aftermarket parts.

You keep trying to educate people on why swaps are pointless but in every argument you make it seem as though you are the one that needs to be educated. Your arguments stand to reason that you don't believe in any modifications to an OEM product and that's fine but why distribute baseless statements to those who may be interested in taking this on. Like others have said most people doing these types of mods are aware of what needs to be done and it's not their first rodeo.

We need to have a swap section so that those actually doing the swaps can help those considering it without pages upon pages of why you shouldn't do it. Although, this is exactly what this particular thread would bring to the surface haha

[Reaper]

I do swaps because I like the challenge, the fabrication, the problem solving, the creativity. Not because I want a corvette with a miata body on it. It seems what we call "car enthusiasts" are just people that like what the oem builds. I like what I build. Even if it's primared, welded together, noisy, rattly, and more expensive than something else. I built it with my own hands late at night with my wife in my driveway and it's fast and it's mean. And I like it. Everyone else can trade their car in. I'm growing mine and loving every stupid problem I have to solve.

[solus]

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Originally Posted by AZFA20

Guess you missed the part where I am coming from a 430whp FA20 FR-S. It has already been through 2 totally different styles of forced induction. Funny that had I been talking about my FA20 at those power levels you would have had nothing to say even though I already am running a big brake system, carbon driveshaft, full coilover system, wide tires, blah blah blah. So I guess I was already driving nothing but a chassis slapped over nothing but aftermarket parts.

You keep trying to educate people on why swaps are pointless but in every argument you make it seem as though you are the one that needs to be educated. Your arguments stand to reason that you don't believe in any modifications to an OEM product and that's fine but why distribute baseless statements to those who may be interested in taking this on. Like others have said most people doing these types of mods are aware of what needs to be done and it's not their first rodeo.

We need to have a swap section so that those actually doing the swaps can help those considering it without pages upon pages of why you shouldn't do it. Although, this is exactly what this particular thread would bring to the surface haha

My original question was why he'd need 500 hp. I never said it was pointless I said that 500 hp swap in this car (and supporting mods) makes it essentially no longer a twin with exception of the look, which is fine. OP asked which one to do... I asked a followup question. No need to get hella defensive to justify spending so much on this car. It's your money spend it as you see fit.

People say they love the car and then proceed to change everything about a twin that makes it a twin, makes no sense to me, except for the challenge of doing the work or bragging at car shows.

As OmarGc so eloquently pointed out (with his comment about cheap Taiwanese turbo kit and cheap knock off wheels) I'm not stock either.

[solus]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I do swaps because I like the challenge, the fabrication, the problem solving, the creativity. Not because I want a corvette with a miata body on it. It seems what we call "car enthusiasts" are just people that like what the oem builds. I like what I build. Even if it's primared, welded together, noisy, rattly, and more expensive than something else. I built it with my own hands late at night with my wife in my driveway and it's fast and it's mean. And I like it. Everyone else can trade their car in. I'm growing mine and loving every stupid problem I have to solve.

This I can support which is an answer to my original question even if not from the OP

[OmarGC]

I intended on buying this car when there were no specs for it released, i knew it would be my next major build as I left my GTR and v5 sti behind. It having a subaru engine was almost a deal breaker for me once that information was released, but I said i would give it an opportunity still because I loved the chassis. Gave it a chance, refreshed my mind with how shitty subaru engines are and got rid of it ASAP. My car hasn't been on the road for 2, almost 3 months under its own power... But my wiring harness arrives this weekend after 9 weeks, and I'll be on the road as soon as I can get to it(within 2 months or so) as long as no other out the country work trips pop up. Again, fuck subaru engines lol

[Reaper]

My requirements were be light. Rwd. A toyota. Everything else was up to me.