2016 or 2015 FR-S?

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I mentioned that the current model (spec C) is the middle life model. Any serious changes in the life of a car are always done by Subaru during the middle life. Then we have a new generation. In the past they even changed the entire engine! People think that this might not be the case for the twins, because they saw limited changes this year. So, they incorrectly think that the changes will come the next manufacturer year. This is wrong based on the history and the current spec.


Of course, exceptions can always exist. Management might decide differently. If you want definite answers just wait a bit.

Good info thanks, yeh definite answers in may but sometime specs spill out...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

No, they just wanted to have a kind of differentiation. That's why they had different suspension settings. And besides the differences were minimal. Now, they don't care anymore because the car is in its latest years. It is preparing to die. That's why we have so many "limited edition" models. Everyone says that it is not selling anymore.

A pile of your info seems to be directly related to Europe (naturally as that is where you are). Sales are just fine in North America.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/21/t...ing-worldwide/

Of course they wanted differentiation that is exactly what I said in my theory!

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I don't think I've ever seen a FRS owner complain about the way this car handles.

I'm not complaining since I don't even have the car, it handles great from my few drives in one. It's the frequent slide out's tail whips and oversteer even at slower speeds that led Tsada to retune to reduce this. It was noticed enough they made an improvement,thats all i'm saying.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I'm not complaining since I don't even have the car, it handles great from my few drives in one. It's the frequent slide out's tail whips and oversteer even at slower speeds that led Tsada to retune to reduce this. It was noticed enough they made an improvement,thats all i'm saying.

So you are saying not one but TWO major development teams took two years to figure out there was a problem and then fix it??????

Like I said above they KNEW the FRS was like this from day one so it was a deliberate decision to make it that way.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I'd be shocked if we don't see a 2.5L by 2017. (Or at least an option) I HIGHLY doubt we will see any forced induction but a bump in displacement seems like a no brainer here.

Yeh Tsada doesn't want FI at all, he's a purest. Enough that this is the only car that has been under only his watchful eye. Apparently he is the Chief engineer for the upcoming Supra also.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

A pile of your info seems to be directly related to Europe (naturally as that is where you are). Sales are just fine in North America.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/21/t...ing-worldwide/

This article is a bit old and it is even before the upgraded version. If you check now, numbers are disappointing even in the US. Check here for the BRZ:

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...z-sports-coupe

I suspect the same is for the other brands. People wanted more power and they didn't get it ...

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

So you are saying not one but TWO major development teams took two years to figure out there was a problem and then fix it??????

Like I said above they KNEW the FRS was like this from day one so it was a deliberate decision to make
it that way.

Why is that surprising? It took GM 13 years to figure out they had a bad ignition switch which over that time was the cause of many deaths.Since this issue has been brought to Toyota's attention they had an obligation, in my opinion, to make the car more manageable. They didn't take away it's tail happiness altogether, they just made it so it occurred less frequently.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

This article is a bit old and it is even before the upgraded version. If you check now, numbers are disappointing even in the US. Check here for the BRZ:

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...z-sports-coupe

I suspect the same is for the other brands. People wanted more power and they didn't get it ...

Yeh I would like a few more horses too but what you gonna do :P I just want a new car and this is the best option for the money as of yet.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

This article is a bit old and it is even before the upgraded version. If you check now, numbers are disappointing even in the US. Check here for the BRZ:

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...z-sports-coupe

I suspect the same is for the other brands. People wanted more power and they didn't get it ...

Post 464 here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=10766&page=22

No idea where they got their numbers in the article but I do not see a 17% drop on the attached.
The drop that does show for the FRS could easily be explained by the fact that there are mow many used ones on the market.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Post 464 here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=10766&page=22

No idea where they got their numbers in the article but I do not see a 17% drop on the attached.
The drop that does show for the FRS could easily be explained by the fact that there are mow many used ones on the market.

I wonder if this is the actual sold units by the consumer or dealer purchase units.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I wonder if this is the actual sold units by the consumer or dealer purchase units.

Some place way back at the start of the thread (been a while since I read the whole thing) it says it is numbers sold retail.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

This article is a bit old and it is even before the upgraded version. If you check now, numbers are disappointing even in the US. Check here for the BRZ:

http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subar...z-sports-coupe

I suspect the same is for the other brands. People wanted more power and they didn't get it ...

Ok read the whole article (I need to get a life!) and it certainly is not saying that BRZ are in trouble even with the minor dip it shows (still don't know where they got the numbers). It is not even remotely reasonable to say that there is a problem because they compare dip the huge jump in WRX sales. Of course there is a huge jump in the sales as everybody and their brother that even remotely wanted one waited for the 15s to come out!

Don't disagree that if they put out a model with more power they may get a few more buyers but this is a very niche market vehicle so don't think they will do that.
Instead (if they decide they want numbers alone) they will likely down grade it even more to try to broaden the customer base.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

it certainly is not saying that BRZ are in trouble even with the minor dip it shows (still don't know where they got the numbers).

They got the numbers from the official Subaru site. Check here:

http://www.subaru-global.com/news_20140903_767.html

Even Outback appears stronger, although a new model is coming. Anyway, I hope you are right. As I said before, I don't want the twins to be phased out.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

They got the numbers from the official Subaru site. Check here:

http://www.subaru-global.com/news_20140903_767.html

Even Outback appears stronger, although a new model is coming. Anyway, I hope you are right. As I said before, I don't want the twins to be phased out.

Oh I didn't say I didn't want them phased out! Would not bother me at all as I have one and it would be worth a FORTUNE (at least 30000 and 1 $$s)

I think we are actually agreeing and just don't realize it!