2016 or 2015 FR-S?

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Shutter

2016 will be turbo'd, so it might be worth the wait

Cool, can you give me a link to Scion/Toyota Press release on this? thanks.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

It's a more safe and controllable car that even Tsada says it needed to retune the suspension but enough to not take the fun out of the equation and not make counter-steering an every corner event. I will control when I wanna go tail out not when the car decides.

I understand why they did it but that doesn't mean I agree. Have never yet put mine out where I didn't mean to so it isn't that horrible.
Just proves my point that the designers will decide what is "best" for us and eventually change the whole works to a different handling and performing car. Sometimes those changes are for the better but sometimes they just plain suck!
How much seat time do you have in any year of the car? Mine is two months old and has 8000 miles on it already (all by me) so I would think I just might have a better grasp on the driving dynamics of the vehicle.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Shutter

2016 will be turbo'd, so it might be worth the wait

And according to the rumour mill so was the 14 and then the 15! There is absolutely zero official statements that there will EVER be a turbo/supercharger on these cars.


(Unless you were being ironic and knew that already. Hard to tell in writing)

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I understand why they did it but that doesn't mean I agree. Have never yet put mine out where I didn't mean to so it isn't that horrible.
Just proves my point that the designers will decide what is "best" for us and eventually change the whole works to a different handling and performing car. Sometimes those changes are for the better but sometimes they just plain suck!
How much seat time do you have in any year of the car? Mine is two months old and has 8000 miles on it already (all by me) so I would think I just might have a better grasp on the driving dynamics of the vehicle.

You do have a better grasp on the car and I have driven my friends '13 when it was new and a few test drives. The consensus on this forum and by Toyota and Subaru say that it is too much tail out. Also when the Chief Engineer of the car even says it needs to be a tighter suspension they made changes for the car and driver experience. Im not saying your opinion is wrong just saying the majority of car owners say the car tail whips too much, enough to spur a design improvement.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And according to the rumour mill so was the 14 and then the 15! There is absolutely zero official statements that there will EVER be a turbo/supercharger on these cars.


(Unless you were being ironic and knew that already. Hard to tell in writing)

Ha. Sarcasm doesn't translate well on here or text.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

So how do you know this for sure? :P

I mentioned that the current model (spec C) is the middle life model. Any serious changes in the life of a car are always done by Subaru during the middle life. Then we have a new generation. In the past they even changed the entire engine! People think that this might not be the case for the twins, because they saw limited changes this year. So, they incorrectly think that the changes will come the next manufacturer year. This is wrong based on the history and the current spec.


Of course, exceptions can always exist. Management might decide differently. If you want definite answers just wait a bit.

[continuecrushing]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Cool, can you give me a link to Scion/Toyota Press release on this? thanks.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And according to the rumour mill so was the 14 and then the 15! There is absolutely zero official statements that there will EVER be a turbo/supercharger on these cars.

(Unless you were being ironic and knew that already. Hard to tell in writing)

Originally Posted by stevesnj

Ha. Sarcasm doesn't translate well on here or text.

Wow, all of you are rude. I heard this straight from my brothers friend whos dating a girl who's best friend works at the 7-11 across from Toyota and she heard one of the guys who works at Toyota that he heard from his co-worker boss that there would be a turbo.

That's pretty much a press release.

[drewbot]

Forget it

2017 Twincharged FR-S

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

You do have a better grasp on the car and I have driven my friends '13 when it was new and a few test drives. The consensus on this forum and by Toyota and Subaru say that it is too much tail out. Also when the Chief Engineer of the car even says it needs to be a tighter suspension they made changes for the car and driver experience. Im not saying your opinion is wrong just saying the majority of car owners say the car tail whips too much, enough to spur a design improvement.

I don't think I've ever seen a FRS owner complain about the way this car handles.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Shutter

Wow, all of you are rude. I heard this straight from my brothers friend whos dating a girl who's best friend works at the 7-11 across from Toyota and she heard one of the guys who works at Toyota that he heard from his co-worker boss that there would be a turbo.

That's pretty much a press release.

PERFECT! Now that I can TELL!!!!!!
Sort of thought the other was from all your other posts but wasn't positive!

[Dezoris]

I'd be shocked if we don't see a 2.5L by 2017. (Or at least an option) I HIGHLY doubt we will see any forced induction but a bump in displacement seems like a no brainer here.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

It's a more safe and controllable car that even Tsada says it needed to retune the suspension but enough to not take the fun out of the equation and not make counter-steering an every corner event. I will control when I wanna go tail out not when the car decides.

Suspension changes made the car more "complete". However, I understand if someone wants to buy the previous model in a lower price. Then he could invest the price difference on a new suspension. Personally, I prefer the factory upgrade.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I don't think I've ever seen a FRS owner complain about the way this car handles.

Thanks! I was thinking the exact same thing but didn't want to get into it!
There are probably 100 or more threads on here about how to INCREASE the over steer!
Apparently there was a "consensus" that I missed someplace.

My theory has always been that they designed the first couple of model years for the FRS with the handling tweaked for the enthusiast with every intention of dumbing it down later for the "general public".

It is not like after a couple of years they suddenly went "OH shit we screwed up better fix that" (or the equivalent Japanese translation). They knew perfectly well what they were doing.
It also explains why the BRS was different right from the start as it gave people the option.
Now they are done trying to cater to the enthusiast crowd and will turn the car into something more suitable for the masses.

[nikitopo]

No, they just wanted to have a kind of differentiation. That's why they had different suspension settings. FRS was focused to the younger generation and Subaru to the most grown ups. And besides the differences were not so many. You had to go close to the limit and even then it wasn't very clear. Now, they don't care anymore to differentiate it because the car is in its latest years. It is preparing to die. Everyone says that it is not selling anymore. That's why we have so many "limited edition" models.