BRZ vs 86 vs Miata Roadster TRACK BATTLE

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

That's a "slip" light.
Blinks when VSC is not completely off.

Perhaps it blinks even when it is off? Take a look at this video, you can see that VSC and TRAC are OFF but the light still blinks. (3:10 is when he turns it off)

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Wow, some much arguing... We already know the FR-S is faster than the BRZ, now around both Tsukuba and Motegi... I don't see how this comes as a surprise. Don't worry BRZ peeps, some coilovers will fix the understeer(or you can swap struts/spring from the FR-S!) Don't be upset, Hattori is a great driver, as is Tsuchiya, and these vids are meant to be fun not to start flame wars.

What this race may highlight is the importance of suspension tuning on the 86/BRZ. If the race isn't fixed, then the 86/BRZ chassis is very responsive to suspension tuning. I can't wait for the Tuner Battle!

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Perhaps it blinks even when it is off? Take a look at this video, you can see that VSC and TRAC are OFF but the light still blinks. (3:10 is when he turns it off)

You can't completely turn it off while driving, so no, it was still on.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Wow, the excuses are just filling up this thread. Simply amazing at all the "If this" and "If that's". Even so far as to say a Pro GT driver sucks...and Toyota rigged it...

So immature without the slightest clue.

[KyShro]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Perhaps it blinks even when it is off? Take a look at this video, you can see that VSC and TRAC are OFF but the light still blinks. (3:10 is when he turns it off)

Want the RC version soooooooooooooooo bad. Something different and cheaper! Plus the all black gauges and all black interior.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Enemies

A better comparison would've been having all 3 drivers drive a few laps around the course in all 3 cars and compared times.

Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist but something definitely seemed a bit off to me about the ease that the 86 passed the BRZ. It may very well be a little faster and handle a bit better, but I don't think the differences are that drastic as to what happened there without driver fault.

At the end of the lap battle they show the time for fastest lap. 86 was a about a second faster compared to the BRZ fastest lap time.

How many iterations will it take for what seems to be only the BRZ people griping over the BRZ showing a second slower at the track.

1) we had the other video come out with both at Tsukuba...Same results and it was the same driver who drove both cars for time. Excuses started flying when the same driver drove both.

2) we have this video with two Pro drivers and the fastest lap times displayed at the end show the same results...86 being 1sec +/- faster than the BRZ. Excuses start flying and claiming bias.

Just get over it already. You chose the FR-S or BRZ. No one is going to fault you either way.But the whining and conspiracy theories from Keyboard racers is rather absurd.

[dsgerbc]

I'm sure there's gonna be a sizable supply of like-new take-off FR-S suspension dirt-cheap. So if any BRZ owner would wish to mimic stock FRS set-up - it's gonna be simple.

[KyShro]

Any chance of a bare-bones RC model ever coming to the States?

[bucket]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

At the end of the lap battle they show the time for fastest lap. 86 was a about a second faster compared to the BRZ fastest lap time.

How many iterations will it take for what seems to be only the BRZ people griping over the BRZ showing a second slower at the track.

1) we had the other video come out with both at Tsukuba...Same results and it was the same driver who drove both cars for time. Excuses started flying when the same driver drove both.

2) we have this video with two Pro drivers and the fastest lap times displayed at the end show the same results...86 being 1sec +/- faster than the BRZ. Excuses start flying and claiming bias.

Just get over it already. You chose the FR-S or BRZ. No one is going to fault you either way.But the whining and conspiracy theories from Keyboard racers is rather absurd.

Can't say that I'm too worried. I think that my driving deficiencies will cost more than 1s/per lap anyways, and if I was racing seriously enough to be concerned, then I wouldn't be using stock suspension. If you're planning on racing stock class at the SCCA nationals autox, then you would probably choose the Scion to begin with because it is a bit lighter.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

At the end of the lap battle they show the time for fastest lap. 86 was a about a second faster compared to the BRZ fastest lap time.

How many iterations will it take for what seems to be only the BRZ people griping over the BRZ showing a second slower at the track.

1) we had the other video come out with both at Tsukuba...Same results and it was the same driver who drove both cars for time. Excuses started flying when the same driver drove both.

2) we have this video with two Pro drivers and the fastest lap times displayed at the end show the same results...86 being 1sec +/- faster than the BRZ. Excuses start flying and claiming bias.

Just get over it already. You chose the FR-S or BRZ. No one is going to fault you either way.But the whining and conspiracy theories from Keyboard racers is rather absurd.

Ok, you don't want to keyboard race? Let's do real race then, you in your 86 and me in my BRZ and we'll see who's faster. Then we'll switch cars and do it again. The same person will win both times because the cars are identical to the point where it will come down to which driver is better. I'm not denying that the 86 seems to get better lap times when taken around by a professional driver but nobody here is a professional driver so it won't make a difference. These comparisons between the 86 and BRZ need to stop, they are the same car. You say that the keyboard racing is absurd, an then in the same paragraph you say, well clearly from these videos the 86 is faster. How is that not keyboard racing?

[TRD_07]

14.3 1/4mi, the second time around on the FRS

[TRD_07]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

Ok, you don't want to keyboard race? Let's do real race then, you in your 86 and me in my BRZ and we'll see who's faster. Then we'll switch cars and do it again. The same person will win both times because the cars are identical to the point where it will come down to which driver is better. I'm not denying that the 86 seems to get better lap times when taken around by a professional driver but nobody here is a professional driver so it won't make a difference. These comparisons between the 86 and BRZ need to stop, they are the same car. You say that the keyboard racing is absurd, an then in the same paragraph you say, well clearly from these videos the 86 is faster. How is that not keyboard racing?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by KyShro

Any chance of a bare-bones RC model ever coming to the States?

There was a company at the Long Beach Formula Drift event that had one for sale. There was a discussion about it in another thread somewhere. It was a 4 wheel drive "drift car" and it was too wide, but still looked pretty cool.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by KyShro

Any chance of a bare-bones RC model ever coming to the States?

Sadly no...