Introducing the NEO Motorsport Big Brake Kit

[NEO Motorsport]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The number of pistons doesn't affect brake balance/bias in the least. It improves wear, and in a fixed caliper, modulation. Piston area, pad swept area and leverage (distance from the axle centerline) affect brake torque (leaving line pressures static since nothing we are talking about here changes that) which will affect balance/bias. Less so on fancy new cars with EBD of course. You can achieve the same piston area with 1 piston or 20.

Absolutly correct Dave. well put, well put.

[NEO Motorsport]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Not exactly what he was asking. My rotors (and pads) see temps north of 1,000 degrees often. The caliper bodies see 300-600 degrees. Fluid is around there. Some pads melt at 1,000 degrees, some at 1,200, some at 1,400, etc.


He's asking what the temp range is for your racing pads.

Thank you for clarifying this up.

Working temperature range [250 degrees to 800 degrees]
Coefficient of friction [0.38 to 0.60]
Material [CARBON METALLIC]

At temperatures over 800 degree, pad material material may form a molding hole in the backing plate from the thermal expansion over many heat cycles causing the material to crack or too thin of a backing plate causing it to crash under flex. Over time, chunks of the friction material may come loose and greatly reduce stopping power and causes noise.

At such high temperature, keeping the friction material from detaching from the backing plate is also a major concern. The bonding agent between the friction material is carefully selected to withstand up to 1400 degree before becomes defective and it must be able to withstand high corrosive agents such as water, salt, and de-icers for maximum durability.

[SkAsphalt]

Please PM me the cost of the kit (rotors, calipers, etc) thanks!

[bumppinKota]

Work with factory rims? Send me price for front and rear if so.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by NEO Motorsport

What happens to the pads at 1400 F (800 C)?
At 800 C, the brake fluid in the car would have already boiled over since even the best of the brake fluids Motul RBF 660 can only withstand temperature up to 660 F which is 325 C. 800 degree is the absolute highest temperature any pads can exert before it becomes completely destroyed and deteriorate. Rotor on the other hand can reach 800 ~ 1200 C very frequently and require good ventilation to keep the temperature down.

Alan@NEO.

Do your race pads actually have dynos for temps higher than 350C? 350C is the rating of a low grade street pad.

With your logic, these cars have no brake fluid, as it's all boiled off.

[CSG Mike]

Now, some questions on specifics.

Do you have a template for testing fitment against wheels?

What is the width of your rotors for 86 applications??

By what percent does this alter brake bias compared to stock? How does this "Improved Balance" as claimed in your original post?

Where are the calipers and rotors manufactured?

What series are the NEO products used in? Are the series the NEO products used in sponsored products, or did the race teams purchase them retail?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by NEO Motorsport

Thank you for clarifying this up.

Working temperature range [250 degrees to 800 degrees]
Coefficient of friction [0.38 to 0.60]
Material [CARBON METALLIC]

At temperatures over 800 degree, pad material material may form a molding hole in the backing plate from the thermal expansion over many heat cycles causing the material to crack or too thin of a backing plate causing it to crash under flex. Over time, chunks of the friction material may come loose and greatly reduce stopping power and causes noise.

At such high temperature, keeping the friction material from detaching from the backing plate is also a major concern. The bonding agent between the friction material is carefully selected to withstand up to 1400 degree before becomes defective and it must be able to withstand high corrosive agents such as water, salt, and de-icers for maximum durability.

800 is pretty low for a race pad, actually really really really low.

I've easily melted pads with temp ranges up to 1,200. The only pads I haven't melted away so far can withstand up to 1,800 degrees.

Do these use the same pads for each rotor size or can the caliper accept multiple sizes to increase swept area with the larger rotors (assuming the larger rotors have more surface area and aren't just bigger diameter)?

I'm not sure many of us care about our race pads handling salt and de-icers

Do you sell other brands of pads as an option (maybe discounted?) for people who buy these or is it whiteboxed and shipped as a unit? Might be a good option to consider for anyone buying these with the intention of tracking their car.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Now, some questions on specifics.

Do you have a template for testing fitment against wheels?

Where are the calipers and rotors manufactured?

Based on how fairly narrow the parts are (10mm pucks on a 30mm rotor vs the 15mm on a 32mm rotor we are used to) the fitment options with this kit should be pretty good, better than my brakes (I have no idea what you are running these days).


I could guess on the other question I quoted but I won't

[KKaWing]

The first post has temperature in Celsius, the later reply #16 doesn't mention scale...

250 degrees Celsius = 482 degrees Fahrenheit
800 degrees Celsius = 1472 degrees Fahrenheit

/shrug

[dradernh]

For reference:

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by KKaWing

The first post has temperature in Celsius, the later reply #16 doesn't mention scale...

250 degrees Celsius = 482 degrees Fahrenheit
800 degrees Celsius = 1472 degrees Fahrenheit

/shrug

True. I'm not sure which he was using in that post.


1,400F is enough for most drivers probably. @CSG Mike and I have both melted some 1,400 pads.. at least I'm pretty sure Mike started to, I have for sure. I'm running sintered pads now for the most part. I have some Project Mu 999's from @CounterSpace Garage as well that have been solid.

[NEO Motorsport]

Originally Posted by KKaWing

The first post has temperature in Celsius, the later reply #16 doesn't mention scale...

250 degrees Celsius = 482 degrees Fahrenheit
800 degrees Celsius = 1472 degrees Fahrenheit

/shrug

Thank you! Yes, I forgot to mention the scale in that specific post. =)

[NEO Motorsport]

It is great to see so many activist on this forum that have use their brakes to the max!

Attached are the two clearance table we have made for our bigger 356x32 (mm) kit for the front and the 330x32 (mm) kit for the rear.






We will draw up the 330x32 (mm) and 304x30 (mm) and post them for everyone soon.

We will do our best to fulfill everyone questions and do our best to answer them at the best of our capacity. With questions I cannot answer myself, I will consult our engineer and respond accordingly. Thanks everyone for being patient with us. =)

To clarify about brake temperatures,

We will obtain a brake pad dyno that shows the higher temperature range to show the behavior of these pads at higher temperature.

In regards to the brake fluid temp, what I was trying to say is this. During regular track usage, the source of heat (pads and rotors) typically see around. 750 degree F while the brake caliper body sees around 600 degree F. At this point, brake fluid sees around 500 degree F.

With of rotors for the 86 application varies depending on caliper. Our smallest caliper is F300 (fits 286mm ~ 304mm diameter) series that uses up to 30mm in thickness. F400 (330mm ~345mm diameter) and F500 (356mm ~ 380mm) series calipers uses 32-34mm thickness rotor depending on diameter as well.

I cannot give you a precise percentage this alter the brake bias to stock, as we will need to set this up under testing conditions for the FT86 Specific. However, that being said, we are open and willing to work with a forum member to test these brakes out at the limit and provide a feedback to fellow board members, PM us for detail)

The raw caliper and rotors are manufactured in Taiwan under NEO's strict guidelines by YET Chang. The materials are then assembled in Woodbridge, Canada.

Currently NEO Motorsport product is used in Canadian Touring Car Championship by Massif Performance, Formula Drift with Mike Pollard. (Sponsorship) Other area of Motorsport that we are exposing ourselves in are smaller club racing such as CASC-OR regional club racing as well.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by NEO Motorsport

However, that being said, we are open and willing to work with a forum member to test these brakes out at the limit and provide a feedback to fellow board members, PM us for detail)

That is a good move


I would suggest that you collect a deposit but return it upon the member returning the parts (unless they want the kit of course). A free kit creates a bias in the review. I would also suggest that you pick a member that is heavily involved in tracking their car(s).



If whoever is picked happens to be local and Neo doesn't mind, I'll supply rotor temp paint and temp strips for the caliper if desired. The strips don't come off the best and of course the paint never comes off.. just turns white...