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NEO Motorsport 09-15-2014 12:07 PM

Introducing the NEO Motorsport Big Brake Kit
 
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Hello Members,

We are from Toronto and we would love to share our products with you
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photo from scion.ca

NEO BRAKE SYSTEM HIGHLIGHTS
  • Forged 6061 alloy aluminum construction
  • Increased Performance and Improved Balance
  • Improved Brake Torque and Modulation
  • Quick change pad design
  • 2 Piece Rotor Design (Lighter, Cooler, Cost Efficient)
  • Complete, Ready to Install kits

NEO BRAKE CALIPER
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All NEO calipers are made from ultra-high strength forged 6061 alloy aluminum, the same material used in today NASCAR racecars. The ultra-light weight construction decreases unsprung mass while the increased rigidity allows both higher clamping force and incredibly consistent pedal response. It features differential bore pistons to optimize car control during heavy braking. External hydraulic pipe design keeps the brake fluid temperature low by utilizing air-flow technology to increase the efficiency in heat dissipation. The result is a significantly lowered operating temperature of the caliper and a more balanced brake pressure to ensure vehicle stability. NEO Brake Systems are designed to meet your heavy duty braking needs in both road and track applications. At NEO, we test our products thoroughly on the road and on the track to bring you the confidence you need in your everyday road driving.

Two Piece Fixed Rotor Design
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  • Lower rotational mass. Two-piece rotor design is generally 12-16% lighter than one piece design
  • Cooler Disc Surface. Ventilation holes between the hat and the disc to air cool the disc surface
  • Full Sliding Design. Prevents warping or cracking from high heat and high stress.
  • Rotor Disc can expand and contract freely while the hat remains stress free
  • Fully changeable rotor ring to reduce running cost in high demand racing application
  • Moon-Cut fixed two-piece rotors for serious braking needs

NEO BRAKE PADS
NEO has developed a high performance pad to match the upgraded performance of the brake system. Our brake ceramic pads are made from organic materials that are environmentally friendly. The SILVER pads are designed for everyday use without the need to change your brake pads for weekend track use. Our GOLD race pads are full carbon ceramic. It provides aggressive braking power with low brake noise and dust level. Our friction material is a special composite that is designed for NEO’s specific purpose. Under the Japanese Industrial Standard testing, our silver and gold pads both achieve consistent 0.51mu; and 0.60mu; in operating temperature range up to 662 degree F. It is capable of sustaining a high coefficient of friction over a wide temperature range for all kinds of high performance road and track applications.

Street Performance Pad Dyno Result
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Race Pad Dyno Result
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Product is used to compete in 2014 Canadian Touring Car Championship Series
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Big Brake Kit Clearance Table [12'/13' setup]
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Wheel Fitment Guide:

For 12'(304mm) Clearance

Enkei Racing Series: RPF1
Wheel Spec: 17x9 +35
*Note: More than 3mm clearance

For 13'(330mm) Clearance

Enkei Touring Series: Kojin, Tenjin, T6S, and the TSP6
Wheel Spec: 17x9 +45

tahdizzle 09-15-2014 01:17 PM

:popcorn:

Shopping for brakes. Sprintkit is my #1 choice right now. Lets see where this goes.

celica73 09-15-2014 01:52 PM

What is the D# for the pads?

What happens to the pads at 1400 F (800 C)?

What do replacement pads cost?
Replacement rotor rings?

Is this for the front and rear? Does it retain the parking brake?

Is this brake kit free, or since I have to ask, I can't afford it?

ZionsWrath 09-15-2014 01:55 PM

I already bought a sprint kit so I'm just in for the :popcorn:

Interested in same questions above. Also interested in the proof behind "Improved Balance, Improved Brake Torque and Modulation"

NEO Motorsport 09-15-2014 04:14 PM

Hello Celia73

I am not exactly sure what you mean the D# for the pads? If you can explain it to us a liittle more, We can try our best to answer you.

What happens to the pads at 1400 F (800 C)?
At 800 C, the brake fluid in the car would have already boiled over since even the best of the brake fluids Motul RBF 660 can only withstand temperature up to 660 F which is 325 C. 800 degree is the absolute highest temperature any pads can exert before it becomes completely destroyed and deteriorate. Rotor on the other hand can reach 800 ~ 1200 C very frequently and require good ventilation to keep the temperature down.

What do replacement pads cost?
Replacement Street pads from NEO cost $160 a set for F300 and F400 series calipers while Replacement Racing pads are $240 a set. Alternative HAWKS, BREMBO, and AP pads can also be used in our caliper. Reference number is available upon request.

Replacement rotor rings?
Replacement rotor rings start at $378 a pair for 11.25" rotors.

Is this for the front and rear? Does it retain the parking brake?
Front and rear brake kits are available, and yes it retains the parking brake =)

Is this brake kit free, or since I have to ask, I can't afford it?
No, the kit is not free =) However, special discounts are given to board member as part of becoming a vendor on the forum, please PM us for a quote.

Thank you!

Alan@NEO.

celica73 09-15-2014 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEO Motorsport (Post 1947659)
Hello Celia73

I am not exactly sure what you mean the D# for the pads? If you can explain it to us a liittle more, We can try our best to answer you.

Sorry, FMSI number. It just happens that they all start with a "D"
Something like on this list

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/do...ocID=TECH00057

It just lets us quickly cross reference to other manufacturers.

NEO Motorsport 09-15-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celica73 (Post 1947672)
Sorry, FMSI number. It just happens that they all start with a "D"
Something like on this list

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/do...ocID=TECH00057

It just lets us quickly cross reference to other manufacturers.

Here is an interchangeable pad numbers for NEO Calipers.

NEO F301,F303,F401,F403

Interchangeable Pads

- PFC (7767)
- Pagid (1361)
- Hawk (HB110)
- Carbone Lorraine (5004W50)
- Ferodo (FRP216)
- Brembo (B52)
- AP Racing (AP5200)
- ACRE (RP002)

pad thickness is 10mm for a 30mm thick rotor and 12mm for 28mm thick rotor and 14mm for a 26mm thick rotor.

NEO Motorsport 09-15-2014 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 1947406)
I already bought a sprint kit so I'm just in for the :popcorn:

Interested in same questions above. Also interested in the proof behind "Improved Balance, Improved Brake Torque and Modulation"

By changing the brake rotor size and piston number, the car's brake balance will change accordingly. With upgraded rotor size and pad material composite, the way the car responds to the brake torque will also change.

We will work on a comparison with a stock vehicle to demostrate the changes with an upgraded brake setup, please be patient with us for this demo.

Thank you.

wizzo 09-15-2014 05:02 PM

Can you PM me the price for the kit? I was planning to jump on the sprint.. I would also like to know about wheel clearance vs the apracing sprint kit.. huge factor.. my big question, can you clearn 17x9 rpf1's with more than the few mm the sprint kit provides.

Also let us know weights please.

continuecrushing 09-15-2014 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wizzo (Post 1947744)
Can you PM me the price for the kit? I was planning to jump on the sprint.. I would also like to know about wheel clearance vs the apracing sprint kit.. huge factor.. my big question, can you clearn 17x9 rpf1's with more than the few mm the sprint kit provides.

Also let us know weights please.

pm me please as well!

NEO Motorsport 09-15-2014 05:40 PM

More Detail:

13'(330mm) Rotor 4 Piston Setup
  • Rotor Weight: 14lb each (with center hat)
  • 4 piston caliper: 4.6 lb each
  • 4 pot piston diameter: (38mm,38mm)
  • 6 pot piston diameter: (36mm,32mm,28mm)

:thanks:

Dave-ROR 09-15-2014 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celica73 (Post 1947401)
What is the D# for the pads?

What happens to the pads at 1400 F (800 C)?

What do replacement pads cost?
Replacement rotor rings?

Is this for the front and rear? Does it retain the parking brake?

Is this brake kit free, or since I have to ask, I can't afford it?

1,400 is low. What happens at 1,800? :)

Dave-ROR 09-15-2014 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEO Motorsport (Post 1947728)
By changing the brake rotor size and piston number, the car's brake balance will change accordingly. With upgraded rotor size and pad material composite, the way the car responds to the brake torque will also change.

We will work on a comparison with a stock vehicle to demostrate the changes with an upgraded brake setup, please be patient with us for this demo.

Thank you.

The number of pistons doesn't affect brake balance/bias in the least. It improves wear, and in a fixed caliper, modulation. Piston area, pad swept area and leverage (distance from the axle centerline) affect brake torque (leaving line pressures static since nothing we are talking about here changes that) which will affect balance/bias. Less so on fancy new cars with EBD of course. You can achieve the same piston area with 1 piston or 20.

Dave-ROR 09-15-2014 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEO Motorsport (Post 1947659)
Hello Celia73
What happens to the pads at 1400 F (800 C)?
At 800 C, the brake fluid in the car would have already boiled over since even the best of the brake fluids Motul RBF 660 can only withstand temperature up to 660 F which is 325 C. 800 degree is the absolute highest temperature any pads can exert before it becomes completely destroyed and deteriorate. Rotor on the other hand can reach 800 ~ 1200 C very frequently and require good ventilation to keep the temperature down.


Not exactly what he was asking. My rotors (and pads) see temps north of 1,000 degrees often. The caliper bodies see 300-600 degrees. Fluid is around there. Some pads melt at 1,000 degrees, some at 1,200, some at 1,400, etc.


He's asking what the temp range is for your racing pads.


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