To Drive a stick or cruise an Auto?

[Oriental Life]

Here is a good read on IS-F transmission, which is 86s minus 2 gears: http://www.lexus.com/models/ISF/feat...sion_Story.pdf

Its plenty lively based on reviews, and the fact that it handles 400 bhp engine with 100 ms upshifts in IS-F can tell you something.

I ordered AT specifically because of that transmission. MT is just same old story, boring. Need to try the best of the other world.

[Daemione]

Originally Posted by lookitschloe

Also, I know you only mentioned the traffic, but in the subject of LA and cars, I always think of parallel parking. For me, parking in a manual is different from parking in an auto because I can't turn around when I'm in my manual. So in essence I had to already be a good parallel parker to be able to park using stick. I think that's something else to consider: parallel parking, and doing it fast due to traffic behind you.

I don't get it. Why can't you look behind you in a manual?

[Daemione]

I've never understood why people prefer an automatic because of heavy traffic. Having to keep your foot on the brake to keep from rolling into the car in front of you is ANNOYING.

[MrFRsLa]

Wow thanks for the feed back guys. Well either way I have ordered a manual. I found one thing to laugh/smile at this "I do not know when I will ever have the confidence to go all the way north on La Cienega right before it hits Sunset; steepest street hill I've ever come across (not counting neighborhood streets), and there is always a healthy amount of cars there"

For those that don't know I fear this street in LA with my lil 95 Civic so I would be proud to top it in an FRS.

Sorry to say this purchase really bares down to image for me. I am (just turned) 23. And live in Hollywood. Lot of people with lots of new cars. I am tried of pushing my 95 Civic around(would never trade that car EVER!). I just need something new. A "***** magnet" some would call it. And I think the FRS has it written all over it.

I sit now in my little office at Toyota while listening to Motley Crue. When a few lyrics come to mind :

Friday night and I need a fight
My FR-s and a switchblade knife
Handful of grease in my hair feels right
But what I need to make me tight are

Girls, Girls, Girls
Long legs and burgundy lips
Girls,
Dancin' down on Sunset Strip
Girls
Red lips, fingertips

[lookitschloe]

Originally Posted by Daemione

I don't get it. Why can't you look behind you in a manual?

When I was driving my auto, it was easier for me to turn around over my right shoulder to look behind me because I would firmly plant my left foot on the ground. Now I just use my mirrors to park. I'm sure it can be done; I've just gotten accustomed to not turning around anymore.

You know what, now that you point it out and I think about it, it may only be a little bit of that. My Corolla was high off the ground naturally (for a compact car) + the seat is high IN the car, so when I turned around I could see a lot. My tC is low to the ground and my seat is low in the car plus I have a spoiler, so when I turn around, I don't gain much more view and I'm better off using my mirrors. Yes, I now believe that is moreso the reason. Sorry, completely unrelated.

And major +1 to hating letting go of the brake and having the car go forward! That is easily the first thing I forget when I'm driving an auto.

[MrFRsLa]

Chloe sorry to be the one to ask male or female?

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Daemione

I've never understood why people prefer an automatic because of heavy traffic. Having to keep your foot on the brake to keep from rolling into the car in front of you is ANNOYING.

I never understood why people prefer manual in traffic either. It's annoying shifting up and down or to neutral in stop and go. Just like you can't understand the opposite, I can't understand the opposite either. A manual is only fun to me if your on a road with little to no traffic like a backroad or a track. Most of us are not as fortunate to live in those areas or go to a track. I love transmissions like the FRS/BRZ auto so I can switch between boring and fun. Manuals in traffic is boring to me but it requires annoying work. I would rather work if it puts a smile on my face like revving the engine enthusiastically and shifting up and down.

[MrFRsLa]

The auto will lack wheel spin and hardcore slides. Don't worry I will be the first to show off some skills in the manual when mine hits. I am waiting just like you guys. I just love hearing the pros and cons

[Oriental Life]

Originally Posted by MrFRsLa

The auto will lack wheel spin and hardcore slides.

Nonsense.

[MrFRsLa]

Also major loss in 0-60 times. Its all there read motor trend!

[Oriental Life]

Originally Posted by MrFRsLa

Also major loss in 0-60 times. Its all there read motor trend!

Again, not major. In return AT gets 100ms upshifts everytime. In daily life it will always be faster than manual, cause drivers with MT will be either checking out chicks on the side of the road or cursing about horrid traffic

[MrFRsLa]

No one ever talks about how TCS in Toyota works with AT's. If you get slip in an Auto TCS puts on the brakes to help put traction to the no slipping wheels. Hinch losing the slide. Ever try doing a power slide in a post 06 IS350. Not happening TCS takes over.

In daily life it will always be faster than manual, cause drivers with MT will be either checking out chicks on the side of the road or cursing about horrid traffic

Touche'

[speedrye]

I've always had manuals, but I have to admit, the automatic in the FR-S was really good to drive. Yes, you can easily power slide with the auto. Just turn TCS off! Would I get an automatic for myself? Probably not, but at the same time, I can't criticize those that do, because it really was that good (at least on an autocross track).

[Lytheum]

i cant see myself ever getting an auto on a sporty car. autos belong in big heavy highway cruisers. even if the auto was faster i'd still have to row my own.