Complete noob help with sway bars

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

I doubt most people could notice the difference, at least on this car.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree.

EDIT. After reading OP's posts I am guessing s/he would fall into the "I doubt most people could notice the difference" group even though I think most people could. OP is an exception.

For me the difference was significant. I was sceptical but became a convert.

Originally Posted by Speedie

Hi,

I recently received my GS bar, and was keen to see the difference this modification would bring to the feel of the car. With the help of my brother we came up with a homegrown blind test. (Both my brother and I have science backgrounds and could be fairly accused of suffering from mild OCD ).

The test was this, done five times.

A. My brother would toss a coin, heads the bar is installed, tails not.
B. In either case, step A would take fifteen minutes.
C. I am not in the garage and cannot hear what he is doing
D. My brother when finished step A and B would then pack up the tools, toot the horn and leave the garage.
E. I would take the car for a fifteen minute drive. Same circuit each time, I would note down whether I thought the bar was in or out.
F. When I returned, I would signal with the horn, leave the garage without crossing paths with my brother
G. At the end of five tests, we compared the results.

My brother had out, in, in, out, in.

I had out, in, in, out, in.

I don't want to scare anyone with how OCD I am, but the chances of me guessing correctly this sequence is one in thirty two, or a little over three percent.

Apart from having an enjoyable afternoon spent with my brother having some fun with cars, which we both have keen interests in, I am happily convinced this modification does make a difference for me.

For me it was clear very early in each drive whether the bar was in or not. The noise from bumps was subdued, the steering felt tighter and sharper and the car felt stiffer. I know these are all seat of the pants observations and hard to measure, all I can say is that for me I noticed differences that I liked and when I noticed these differences, it lined up with the bar being in.

So for what it's worth, I am satisfied that the bar makes a difference for me, which I very much like.

Ralph.

Having said that I can't say there is any objective performance benefit. Only improvement in front end feel.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by mav1178

and it's great for street + track. I am not running out of grip

Huh? So you can corner at infinite speed?

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Huh? So you can corner at infinite speed?

Probably means he has more grip than needed at his current skill/comfort level.

OP, what exactly are you trying to improve? Just throwing parts at it without knowing what you're trying to address is a bad plan.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by dtrop

I've searched a little but prefer help with my specific almost non existent build.!

don't lie, you've done absolutely zero searching....but given your requirements, you need neither the swaybar or a strutbar.


So save your money and continue on enjoying your car.




As the first step in upgrading your car is understanding what specific problem in handling it is that you can address. So until you can explain what issues you're having while operating the vehicle, even thinking about "upgrading" is a futile effort.

[tonyfrs86]

so i have both on my car. first i did the tower brace- JDM password. i noticed a little more rigidity to the front end but not much and it just was a nice little perk, i did it mostly for astetics...the car already has a strut bar in the engine bay. then i did front and rear sway bars at the same time, Perrin ones. i forget the size i think like 18mm front and rear. AND HOLY SH1T! the car is was more ridgid and the body roll into the turns went way down. it didnt feel like i was driving a skateboard anymore when i went hard into the turns. i do have nitto movitos (tires) on my car but stock size. i say if you want to spend 400 bucks and make your car feel way better get some sway bars but not until you get better tires cuz even in the motivos i can break traction in tight turns..only when i accelerate through the turn though.

hope that helps.

[dtrop]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

don't lie, you've done absolutely zero searching....but given your requirements, you need neither the swaybar or a strutbar.


So save your money and continue on enjoying your car.




As the first step in upgrading your car is understanding what specific problem in handling it is that you can address. So until you can explain what issues you're having while operating the vehicle, even thinking about "upgrading" is a futile effort.

I don't need your childish, pretentious tone. Don't come here and try to tell me what I did and did not do.

As for everyone else, thank you for your inputs and information.

It sounds like it's a good upgrade for more intensive driving, but I don't think I'll be experiencing much of this with my 30-40 minutes of driving per day.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by dtrop

I don't need your childish, pretentious tone. Don't come here and try to tell me what I did and did not do.

okay, tell me then, what sort of research did you perform prior to making your post, which demonstrated that you don't know the difference between a sway bar and a strut bar, let alone the implications of modifying either.


I mean, if you did even a little research... you would have known that basic prerequisite, no?


which is what really boils my kettle... why can't people just come out and say that "hey, I don't know anything about this subject matter, can someone please explain to me what these two things are, and should I purchase them for my daily driver?"


would have drawn a much different reaction from everyone.

[drewbot]

Save your money

Aftermarket sway bars on DD duty are about as useful as relying on a catback to make HP gains

If your car was a heavy FWD pig, with a poor weight balance, then yes, with the twins, no

Sent from my OnePlus One

[Captain Snooze]

7thgear ftw!

[dtrop]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

okay, tell me then, what sort of research did you perform prior to making your post, which demonstrated that you don't know the difference between a sway bar and a strut bar, let alone the implications of modifying either.


I mean, if you did even a little research... you would have known that basic prerequisite, no?


which is what really boils my kettle... why can't people just come out and say that "hey, I don't know anything about this subject matter, can someone please explain to me what these two things are, and should I purchase them for my daily driver?"


would have drawn a much different reaction from everyone.

I already stated that I didn't know anything in my first post......Or perhaps my topic title would be a good implication that I didn't know anything.

I searched and read threads on ft86 about sway bars.but there isn't as much on strut. Physically, I got the two placements mixed up and the parts as well.

Many people have been helpful in this thread. You on the other hand, have been a pretentious prick.

I already decided that I won't be upgrading to this component given my current driving habits. Again, previously stated before your unnecessary rant.

Please leave if you are going to continue to be an asshole, I'm not in the mood for your remarks. You are being completely out of line and most members don't welcome your attitude here on ft86club.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by dtrop

You on the other hand, have been a pretentious prick.

No, I disagree. He is not pretentious. 7thgear says it like he sees it. He may come across as arrogant and condescending but not pretentious.
Given his amount of knowledge he also worth reading when you ask the right questions.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by dtrop

but there isn't as much on strut.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49492
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56920
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46737
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18574
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45820
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50667
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62942

This should keep you going for a while.

[dtrop]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

No, I disagree. He is not pretentious. 7thgear says it like he sees it. He may come across as arrogant and condescending but not pretentious.
Given his amount of knowledge he also worth reading when you ask the right questions.

I asked almost exactly what he "preferred" I ask right in my first post.


I clearly stated I was a complete noob and I clearly stated that I was seeking guidence. I couldn't have made those statements any more obvious.

Anyways, thanks for the links. I had already read through a few of them before. It seems that it's a toss up between people who can feel a difference and those who don't.

I mean, for the seemingly inexpensive price for a car component, it's certainly an item that can be purchased, tested, and if the results aren't satisfactory, can be easily resold.

[Turkish]

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