BRZ vs 86 vs Miata Roadster TRACK BATTLE

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by brz_guy

I've read somewhere in which in stock form, the FT86/FRS is more tail happy due to its suspension settings.

Also, the stock suspension on the BRZ is made stiffer than the FT86/FRS hence making it more composed on the track.

true but the difference will be minimal. the difference would be similar to honda AP1 vs AP2. you can still coax the BRZ into an FRS like oversteer, its just the FR-S doesn't need as much coaxing.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

actually there's three. its either the BRZ driver sucked, lapsed judgement or they wanted the GT to win. we didn't have to see the end of the video to know that the MX5 was going to lose unless the GT/BRZ drivers weren't competent.

all i care about is the G-Men, The Yanks and Go Knicks!

Hattori Naoki sucked? That's a funniest joke I've heard all day. He won several Super GT & currently in the GT commity. He may be not in top condition, but sure in hell not suck.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

actually there's three. its either the BRZ driver sucked, lapsed judgement or they wanted the GT to win. we didn't have to see the end of the video to know that the MX5 was going to lose unless the GT/BRZ drivers weren't competent.

all i care about is the G-Men, The Yanks and Go Knicks!

BRZ attempts to overtake Roadster on the outside, which isn't the preferred line but he is carrying more speed than the Roadster. Proceeds to overtake on the straight. 86's corner exit speed is higher because he took the correct line, and he drafts the Roadster while the BRZ is passing and takes the inside line. BRZ brakes too early at the first marker, and 86 cuts in on the inside, taking the lead. Chances are Naoki-san wasn't comfortable enough with the braking capability because he braked at the first marker, rather than going deep into the brakes just before corner entry.

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Hattori Naoki sucked? That's a funniest joke I've heard all day. He won several Super GT & currently in the GT commity. He may be not in top condition, but sure in hell not suck.

then you answered one of my reasoning, they wanted the GT to win. if he's the Super GT equivalent to hamilton or vettel then he would know the braking point of the BRZ heading into corner entry.

like i said in my first post, its fixed for tv. maybe toyota owns the production company like they own many things in japan aside from things automobile related.

[Cheddar]

I love reading all the post about the brz is better! No the fr-s is! It brings me lulz.

Reminds me of the Camaro and transams wars.

[brz_guy]

mkxr,
Here's the link where I read that the BRZ can be driven better to its limit by a beginner. I'm not saying that the BRZ is better than the FRS, I'm just saying that in stock form, the BRZ is easier to drive to its limits. (Take note, this is for a beginner taking the BRZ or FRS to the track. Experienced drivers is another story):
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5331

Look at Post #16 on the link above, this was from Automobile Mag:
"A beginner driver might have an easier time controlling the Subaru at the limit -- more experienced drivers might prefer the Scion. As the near-identical performance numbers show, neither has a clear performance advantage -- it’s all about the feel. The Scion offers the best balance of any sports car within three times its price. Well, except the Subaru, which trails right behind."

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

true but the difference will be minimal. the difference would be similar to honda AP1 vs AP2. you can still coax the BRZ into an FRS like oversteer, its just the FR-S doesn't need as much coaxing.

I have to agree with you on that one!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

then you answered one of my reasoning, they wanted the GT to win. if he's the Super GT equivalent to hamilton or vettel then he would know the braking point of the BRZ heading into corner entry.

like i said in my first post, its fixed for tv. maybe toyota owns the production company like they own many things in japan aside from things automobile related.

If that's the case, 86 would of won both race. Why BRZ won 0~400?

Again, 86 or BRZ, they're both same car. One isn't greater than other one

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

BRZ attempts to overtake Roadster on the outside, which isn't the preferred line but he is carrying more speed than the Roadster. Proceeds to overtake on the straight. 86's corner exit speed is higher because he took the correct line, and he drafts the Roadster while the BRZ is passing and takes the inside line. BRZ brakes too early at the first marker, and 86 cuts in on the inside, taking the lead. Chances are Naoki-san wasn't comfortable enough with the braking capability because he braked at the first marker, rather than going deep into the brakes just before corner entry.

ok, i agree with overtake on the outside ebing not the racing line and i agree with the overtake on the straight which is rightfully so since he has more power than the MX5. i agree the GT took the right line heading into the straight but the draft? more like the GT had the power advantage and pulled on the MX5, its the same power advantage the BRZ had when it was side by side with the MX.

"naoki-san"? you guys know these drivers like me knowing every F1 driver and team from the past 15years. if this guy is as good as you posters say he is, he should not make a mistake going into corner entry with a 200hp car when he's probably used to driving cars with double to triple the power.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

ok, i agree with overtake on the outside ebing not the racing line and i agree with the overtake on the straight which is rightfully so since he has more power than the MX5. i agree the GT took the right line heading into the straight but the draft? more like the GT had the power advantage and pulled on the MX5, its the same power advantage the BRZ had when it was side by side with the MX.

"naoki-san"? you guys know these drivers like me knowing every F1 driver and team from the past 15years. if this guy is as good as you posters say he is, he should not make a mistake going into corner entry with a 200hp car when he's probably used to driving cars with double to triple the power.

Naoki-san is not driving God, he can squeez some skill to BRZ, but just driving few laps can't figure the limits of this car. VS Tsuchiya-san have driven 86 since proto type, of course he can push more than Naoki-san

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

If that's the case, 86 would of won both race. Why BRZ won 0~400?

Again, 86 or BRZ, they're both same car. One isn't greater than other one

1/4 mile times with identical powered cars boils down to the driver.

i'd also like to see the alignment settings for the rear between the two. if the GT/FR-S is tuned more to oversteer compared to the BRZ it may have a little more positive camber, if it does then it could explain times. if the rear tires of the BRZ has more of nuetral setting its putting more rubber surface on the ground than the GT.

[brz_guy]

When it comes down to it both cars are very similar, but the FRS is more tossable on the track since its suspension is stiffer than the BRZ.

If your a beginner track driver, the BRZ is the ideal car to drive since it's is easier to control to its limit.

Take note, this is for a stock FRS VS a stock BRZ. Modifying them is another story...

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Naoki-san is not driving God, he can squeez some skill to BRZ, but just driving few laps can't figure the limits of this car. VS Tsuchiya-san have driven 86 since proto type, of course he can push more than Naoki-san

few laps on film. i'm sure he's had more than a few laps in the car than what was shown in the vid.

if you've had track time with a car that wasn't yours it takes about 5-7 laps to get comfortable with the car. there are cars that may take less, i drove an elise at laguna seca and within the first lap i could tell what the car was capable of. as the laps progress beyond 7 laps on any car, you find yourself taking a little more speed going into corners because you know what the car can and can't do.

this guy is a professional driver. i find it hard to believe he misjudged the braking point of a 200hp car.

[Subie]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Oh yeah, I like that! It's on the Scion too, right?

It's been confirmed by this document that the FR-S also has this indicator. It's the third bullet-point under the Instrument Panel heading on the first page.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

1/4 mile times with identical powered cars boils down to the driver.

Well thank you for proving my point. There you go, Naoki-san isn't suck

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

few laps on film. i'm sure he's had more than a few laps in the car than what was shown in the vid.

if you've had track time with a car that wasn't yours it takes about 5-7 laps to get comfortable with the car. there are cars that may take less, i drove an elise at laguna seca and within the first lap i could tell what the car was capable of. as the laps progress beyond 7 laps on any car, you find yourself taking a little more speed going into corners because you know what the car can and can't do.

this guy is a professional driver. i find it hard to believe he misjudged the braking point of a 200hp car.

If that's the case, you must be better driver than anyone. We'll be expecting vid of you racing. Without vid, it's just a talk