Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

Has anyone seen this?


http://www.superchargertuning.com/

Yup and the other one... Yup. We talked about this earlier in the thread.

[yamsta]

Is there any actual ETA on the original kits? Was told in June that it would be July when kits start shipping but now its September...

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

Has anyone seen this?
http://www.superchargertuning.com/

This is a pretty website wrapped around yet another scammy 12v $200 ebay style "electric supercharger". It's these devices that Wild Weasel railed against for years because they simply don't work. That's until Rob sent him an early version of his 24v Phantom ESC to test. Rob took the biggest skeptic. A man who had tested scam superchargers (like the one in the link) and amazed him with the Phantom ESC so much that he endorsed Rob's product. http://www.wildweasel.ca/HowTo/Auto/eturboTest.aspx

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

Or this:
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/04..._supercharger/

Thomas Knight was one of the few early ESC developers (along with Rob) that understood more than 12volts were going to be needed. The article is from back in 2004 and reflected work he had done at the time. I don't know much of the history here. It looks like Thomas Knight ceased development for some reason. Rob continued his own R&D over the years and finally produced the commercial product we enjoy today.

[Target70]

I'd say rob has the thomas knight setup beat on aesthetics alone. But damn, 3 motors and 6 batteries!

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Target70

I'd say rob has the thomas knight setup beat on aesthetics alone. But damn, 3 motors and 6 batteries!

TK was really in a prototype phase. Almost proof-of-concept stuff. Rob has a commercial product. It's like the difference between the Chinese military vs. the U.S.A.s'. China has prototypes, tech demos and research papers. While the U.S. brings deployed battle tested hardware, process, supply chain, and tactics. Rob is that far ahead of where TK was. Most importantly, Rob's controller hardware/software looks to be much more sophisticated than what TK had developed long ago.

Or you can think about it from a materials and equipment prespective. TK went with 3 motors because a single motor didn't exist at the time to do what he wanted. However if TK had reached whatever air compressibility threshold he needed to maintain >10PSI what would that make the rest of his kit look like (batteries, cabling, controllers, etc)? Rob's TQ250 motor is up to the task of his tightly focused product. He's methodically reaching farther (TQ300) while keeping the product commercially feasible. TK had 6 batteries for the same reason. Today batts are available far cheapear and up to the task. Rob's setup, compact enough to be a drop-in replacement for the factory battery.

Things will get really interesting when someone comes up with a 24v kit that drops-in like Rob's. Chances of that happening soon however are slim with just how much engineering has gone into the current Phantom product.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by yamsta

Is there any actual ETA on the original kits? Was told in June that it would be July when kits start shipping but now its September...

When i talked to Rob last week he was still waiting on his compressor wheels to be received.

He is also working on updating the installation procedure and documentation around the installation before he ships the next batch of kits....not sure where he is at with that.

Should be getting close hopefully

[Target70]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

TK was really in a prototype phase. Almost proof-of-concept stuff. Rob has a commercial product. It's like the difference between the Chinese military vs. the U.S.A.s'. China has prototypes, tech demos and research papers. While the U.S. brings deployed battle tested hardware, process, supply chain, and tactics. Rob is that far ahead of where TK was. Most importantly, Rob's controller hardware/software looks to be much more sophisticated than what TK had developed long ago.

Or you can think about it from a materials and equipment prespective. TK went with 3 motors because a single motor didn't exist at the time to do what he wanted. However if TK had reached whatever air compressibility threshold he needed to maintain >10PSI what would that make the rest of his kit look like (batteries, cabling, controllers, etc)? Rob's TQ250 motor is up to the task of his tightly focused product. He's methodically reaching farther (TQ300) while keeping the product commercially feasible. TK had 6 batteries for the same reason. Today batts are available far cheapear and up to the task. Rob's setup, compact enough to be a drop-in replacement for the factory battery.

Things will get really interesting when someone comes up with a 24v kit that drops-in like Rob's. Chances of that happening soon however are slim with just how much engineering has gone into the current Phantom product.

I understand and agree, and do not mean to hate on a poineer. However, while realizing the technological limitations of the day, and the prototype nature of the system, the sheer complexity removes almost all chance of a pleasing appearence. (I mean, look at that junction block in the trunk) Not to mention that same complexity would likely render the setup financially impractical.
Even So, ignoring the bulk and expense, If you were to use todays technology, I wonder what type of performance is possible out of that type of a setup. 36v dual dump pack? and a beast of a motor with scalable engagement control.

[raven1231]

Went for a ride after uninstalling the Phantom and flashing to Stage 2 E85 tune.......

[DriftHappens]

Originally Posted by raven1231

Went for a ride after uninstalling the Phantom and flashing to Stage 2 E85 tune.......

at least it's going to a good home.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by DriftHappens

at least it's going to a good home.

Yes sir! This community of Esc owners is top notch as well

[Sojhinn]

Wait what happened?

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by raven1231

Yes sir! This community of Esc owners is top notch as well

Damn raven just read what happened.... Next time bro let us know. I know I would of sent some cash your way to help a fella out. I hope to see you back soon. Let me know if we can help in anyway and don't be a stranger! And let's hope you catch that sob.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Damn raven just read what happened.... Next time bro let us know. I know I would of sent some cash your way to help a fella out. I hope to see you back soon. Let me know if we can help in anyway and don't be a stranger! And let's hope you catch that sob.

I appreciate it man and trust me ill still check this thread multiple times a day lol. Can't wait to see the future of this system!

[Target70]

this was all a trick, raven was just getting rid of the old system so he would have an excuse to buy the TQ300 when it comes out.