Twins vs 2015 z06

[enjetek]

based on this thread all we need is between 5-15k and we got a super car killer

[Acree]

Originally Posted by BadBRZ

You're still thinking in the box... Get the corvette ball sack off your chin step back and reassess what your saying in response to my post...

Originally Posted by SrtWtF

Swap a Ls into the frs and it'll shit on any vette Nuff said. Oh and it'll still cost less than the new vette and you'll most likely be the only one in the state with this car and that motor.

End rant.

The ignorance is palpable and resorting to childish insults, comical.

I've provided rational and sound numbers for my entire argument. The truth is I've come closer than anyone in this thread to actually doing this swap and the fanboys still refuse to listen.

It's not worth my effort or time. Have fun guys.

[Jaden]

Why the fuck do so many NON tuners attempt to TUNE a car??? and then wonder why it COSTS so damn much.

Yeah, if you can't fab your own stuff or tune your own stuff, you'd be better off buying one of those other cars than paying someone gob tons of money to mod a low entry car like the twin.

If you have to pay 43K to do an engine swap, then you're doing it wrong

If you can't do the engine swap yourself, don't even try it.

To attempt it on a DD is insane. It's not something you can do in a weekend.

Jaden

But I love all the haters. Cars have been made faster for much less than the cost of a new Z06, which is more than the 80K that it STARTS at btw. I'd love to see someone try to walk out of a dealership with a new Z06 for 80K...lol

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Acree

The ignorance is palpable and resorting to childish insults, comical.

I've provided rational and sound numbers for my entire argument. The truth is I've come closer than anyone in this thread to actually doing this swap and the fanboys still refuse to listen.

It's not worth my effort or time. Have fun guys.

Do you mean that you've come closer to paying someone else to do the swap for you than anyone else in this thread. Oh ok, now we understand...

Jaden

[thill]

LOL, can Crawford even get their super BRZ to run consistently and reliably? I think every time I see a video of it, is is having issues with power delivery or overheating. If they find this to be hard how do you expect some random part time garage mechanic to pull it off?

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Why the fuck do so many NON tuners attempt to TUNE a car??? and then wonder why it COSTS so damn much.

Yeah, if you can't fab your own stuff or tune your own stuff, you'd be better off buying one of those other cars than paying someone gob tons of money to mod a low entry car like the twin.

If you have to pay 43K to do an engine swap, then you're doing it wrong

If you can't do the engine swap yourself, don't even try it.

To attempt it on a DD is insane. It's not something you can do in a weekend.

Jaden

But I love all the haters. Cars have been made faster for much less than the cost of a new Z06, which is more than the 80K that it STARTS at btw. I'd love to see someone try to walk out of a dealership with a new Z06 for 80K...lol

Seriously... People swap LS1s into old 240sxs and NA/NB miatas for $8-$10k all the time. Suggesting it costs $40-$50k is absurd. Besides, you do NOT need a v8 in everything. That's not what the thread was about...

[DeeezNuuuts83]

That's an LS1 though, already a few generations behind. The price was for an LS3 swap.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Seriously... People swap LS1s into old 240sxs and NA/NB miatas for $8-$10k all the time. Suggesting it costs $40-$50k is absurd. Besides, you do NOT need a v8 in everything. That's not what the thread was about...

If you're having to pay 43K for an engine swap, then you're getting ass raped.

And you're absolutely right, you shouldn't need to swap in a v8 into this car to compete with anything.

First swapping in a v8 regardless of the minimal overall weight gain, you would be raising the COG...

I often see people say that the COG is 18 inches, there are a few super cars with lower stock COGs. Yeah, how many people leave their car stock height??? Pretty much the first mod people do is lower their car at least an inch, there you go, now it's a 17" COG, pretty much lower than any other stock car out there.

If I were going to invest 40+K into this car, I would get FI on a built block with slightly lower compression and a sequential transaxle mounted in back.

With the angle going to the rear diff and the weight reduction AND the moving of substantial weight to the rear while eliminating the stock trans AND diff, you would further lower the COG, substantially increase the ability of the drive train to handle the increased torque and power AND get a perfect or near perfect 50/50 weight distribution.

Total cost for the above would be between 30-40K and the benefit would be insane.

Jaden

[inertia]

Originally Posted by Acree

I've provided rational and sound numbers for my entire argument. The truth is I've come closer than anyone in this thread to actually doing this swap and the fanboys still refuse to listen.

The truth is that you never even attempted to drop a LS in your car. There is a vast difference between reading nonsense that is online (so called research) and actually pulling the FA20 out of the car and dropping a LS in there. The last time I checked, you never performed neither of these tasks but instead sold the car with the stock engine still in there. As you already know, more respect is earned for someone that builds a car from the ground up, not someone who purchases it turnkey. What challenges are involved with that?

Originally Posted by Jaden

Do you mean that you've come closer to paying someone else to do the swap for you than anyone else in this thread. Oh ok, now we understand...

Supposedly he was on the fence with having Vorshlag perform all the work.

Some LS swap work that they have performed: Vorshlag LS 86

Originally Posted by thill

LOL, can Crawford even get their super BRZ to run consistently and reliably? I think every time I see a video of it, is is having issues with power delivery or overheating. If they find this to be hard how do you expect some random part time garage mechanic to pull it off?

Just for your information, Crawford is by far not the "master" or "pioneer" of building FRS/BRZs. There are several other shops that run circles around that guy, such as Full Blown Motorsports, DriftnDrag Motorsports, Dynosty, Power House Racing, and the list goes on. Not bashing the guy but there are indeed equally as competent or more experienced mechanics/engineers than him.

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Seriously... People swap LS1s into old 240sxs and NA/NB miatas for $8-$10k all the time. Suggesting it costs $40-$50k is absurd. Besides, you do NOT need a v8 in everything. That's not what the thread was about...

NO SHIT!!! I am surprised no one has mentioned other swaps such as the 2JZ, RB, 5.0s, and so on.

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

That's an LS1 though, already a few generations behind. The price was for an LS3 swap.

Don't forget, you can still mod the hell out of a LS1 platform. The LS2/LS3 is decreasing in price because of the supply. As more GM cars roll out, there will be more wrecked/salvaged cars to use as donors. Also, LSs are not as expensive as the price mentioned earlier. Most people shop around for deals, especially if it's a large project.

[inertia]

I find it amusing that you retracted or should I say "deleted" your previous statements.

04:47 PM - Acree quoted inertia in post Twins vs 2015 z06
Supposedly he was on the fen...

[SrtWtF]

Originally Posted by Acree

The ignorance is palpable and resorting to childish insults, comical.

I've provided rational and sound numbers for my entire argument. The truth is I've come closer than anyone in this thread to actually doing this swap and the fanboys still refuse to listen.

It's not worth my effort or time. Have fun guys.

I've been on several forums both car and sport bike and seen quite alot of people with the same similarities you show you obviously have, tons of reading with nothing done. You criticize with Internet knowledge and not hands on experience, you've obviously never turned a wrench but are willing to pay for someone to get they're hands dirty for you so yea pay the 50k shit I'd laugh in someone's face if I said 50k for a swap and you go reaching for your debit card

so with that being said I'll continue to represent my present and past builds as "built not bought"

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by SrtWtF

I've been on several forums both car and sport bike and seen quite alot of people with the same similarities you show you obviously have, tons of reading with nothing done. You criticize with Internet knowledge and not hands on experience, you've obviously never turned a wrench but are willing to pay for someone to get they're hands dirty for you so yea pay the 50k shit I'd laugh in someone's face if I said 50k for a swap and you go reaching for your debit card

so with that being said I'll continue to represent my present and past builds as "built not bought"

I get what you are saying...

But don't you think it is a little misleading to unknowledgeable (or rookies) to think that they can do certain mods that will be out of their skill range?

You have to count labor, or at least acknowledge that this will take 30 hours to do (or more or less time).

You see, at my wage at my job, I can make a lot of money just working those 30 hours instead.

Though, I am a rookie mechanic...I am venturing further into tuning and fixing things myself because I do buy into "built, not bought" mantra.

BUT if a certified master mechanic claims that doing a job should be easy and cheap...that is not really being 100% honest is it?

I mean shit...I can put a catheter into your heart and inject you with contrast and tell you if you have blockages in your coronary arteries..stent those blockages/stenosis and prevent you from dying. Its easy as shit to do that...for me.

Yet, when you go to the hospital, you will get a bill for 30k for what takes me 1 hour to do on an outpatient basis.

WHY didn't you just do that yourself? You wasted money!

You see...some people are just more talented at different things.

I haven't changed my own oil in years...because the Dealership will do it for free...or on my used cars...I can get Jiffy Lube to do it for 20 dollars in 20 minutes and I don't get dirty. Or I have my mechanic do it while he is doing other stuff for me.

I work enough at my job...I like to enjoy my time off.

That being said...I will be attempting replace all my suspension components on my AW11 this up coming month...because as a car guy...I do want to DIY.

But you should not disparage someone for paying a mechanic to do something that they are unable to do.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I get what you are saying...

But don't you think it is a little misleading to unknowledgeable (or rookies) to think that they can do certain mods that will be out of their skill range?

You have to count labor, or at least acknowledge that this will take 30 hours to do (or more or less time).

You see, at my wage at my job, I can make a lot of money just working those 30 hours instead.

Though, I am a rookie mechanic...I am venturing further into tuning and fixing things myself because I do buy into "built, not bought" mantra.

BUT if a certified master mechanic claims that doing a job should be easy and cheap...that is not really being 100% honest is it?

I mean shit...I can put a catheter into your heart and inject you with contrast and tell you if you have blockages in your coronary arteries..stent those blockages/stenosis and prevent you from dying. Its easy as shit to do that...for me.

Yet, when you go to the hospital, you will get a bill for 30k for what takes me 1 hour to do on an outpatient basis.

WHY didn't you just do that yourself? You wasted money!

You see...some people are just more talented at different things.

I haven't changed my own oil in years...because the Dealership will do it for free...or on my used cars...I can get Jiffy Lube to do it for 20 dollars in 20 minutes and I don't get dirty. Or I have my mechanic do it while he is doing other stuff for me.

I work enough at my job...I like to enjoy my time off.

That being said...I will be attempting replace all my suspension components on my AW11 this up coming month...because as a car guy...I do want to DIY.

But you should not disparage someone for paying a mechanic to do something that they are unable to do.

The problem isn't with people not doing it themselves, it's when they say that it costs such and such to do so it's not worth it, or that you might as well buy the super car instead, if you're going to do that.

I agree with that, if you want to compete with supercars and you're going to have to spend 90K to do it, then yeah, just buy the supercar.

You don't have to though. This platform makes it even easier and less expensive to compete with those cars, provided that you are capable of actually modding and tuning your car, yourself.

I can afford much more expensive platforms and get as good a deals you can expect to get (IT director for an auto group 'cjdr, toyota, chevrolet, gmc, buick, vw, honda') and soon to be hyundai.

I have my pick of some awesome cars that right of the box can destroy some shit.

I chose the FRS precisely BECAUSE it is a great inexpensive starting platform that has great lines as it sits and great handling out of the box and is fun to drive and is super light and because I am CAPABLE of doing the mods to it myself.

I'm limited being in California, but that just makes it that much more of a challenge and that much more satisfying when I do accomplish my goals.

There were other reasons as well. I have been working on several projects for many years and the extra space in the engine bay etc make this a great platform to test bed some prototypes.

Jaden

p.s. I also need some reasons to use my 12x36 gunsmithing lathe....

[SrtWtF]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I get what you are saying...

But don't you think it is a little misleading to unknowledgeable (or rookies) to think that they can do certain mods that will be out of their skill range?

You have to count labor, or at least acknowledge that this will take 30 hours to do (or more or less time).

You see, at my wage at my job, I can make a lot of money just working those 30 hours instead.

Though, I am a rookie mechanic...I am venturing further into tuning and fixing things myself because I do buy into "built, not bought" mantra.

BUT if a certified master mechanic claims that doing a job should be easy and cheap...that is not really being 100% honest is it?

I mean shit...I can put a catheter into your heart and inject you with contrast and tell you if you have blockages in your coronary arteries..stent those blockages/stenosis and prevent you from dying. Its easy as shit to do that...for me.

Yet, when you go to the hospital, you will get a bill for 30k for what takes me 1 hour to do on an outpatient basis.

WHY didn't you just do that yourself? You wasted money!

You see...some people are just more talented at different things.

I haven't changed my own oil in years...because the Dealership will do it for free...or on my used cars...I can get Jiffy Lube to do it for 20 dollars in 20 minutes and I don't get dirty. Or I have my mechanic do it while he is doing other stuff for me.

I work enough at my job...I like to enjoy my time off.

That being said...I will be attempting replace all my suspension components on my AW11 this up coming month...because as a car guy...I do want to DIY.

But you should not disparage someone for paying a mechanic to do something that they are unable to do.

I get what your saying, same as those people completely capable of washing they're own car but choose to pay someone else to do it. It's just the luxury of paying some change someone else can do it for you.

But that's something we all do some point in time if your just trying to say the car won't last for ever with the correct tuning and aftermarket support, of course it won't but that's why you have to pay to play, you absolutely have to. You can't make ANY car impenetrable. But what you can do is mod it to your liking and enjoy it and well...... that's the point, that's the car life can't get with it then sell it.

my last platform I went through two stock motors, one built and on my second built motor. Car was making over 500 on those two stock motors for a year each and I daily'd the car as well as beat the piss outa it every Chance I got. The built motor lasted 3 months and a cheap faulty valve dropped at the hint of 500. Now the car is happily making 700+ and lasting long but only as a weekend fun toy.

My point for referring to my fun car? To show yes a modded car can and will last, forever? No, but we all know that. Is it expensive? Well yea but what isn't.... and as for the engine swap part I've seen a thread where someone bought the weapons grade kit and swapped in they're own ls3 but they were obviously mechanically inclined.
So to all those people this thread is supposed to warn about being aware your Frs is a time bomb waiting to blow, all I gotta say is try it..... it's a new platform so there will be some kinks, some engine failures, but that's common and comes with the game. All my stance guy's out there know that issues such as scraped exhaust, busted headers, torn bumpers and fucked up fenders come with the territory so..........don't expect rainbows and unicorns.....