Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Yes, that is what people are trying to say. Don't be suprise if FT-1 will use a RC or IS platform as the MKIV used a similar SC platform. We never meant to say the RC is the new SC.

The 86 is a different story. Toyota did not current have a platform for that car. But with FT-1 Tada san said it has too have big power. Guess what, IS-F/RC-F checked that box.

Well you were putting words in my month so was just returning the favor.

I'm pretty sure a Supra flagship carries way more weight than the 86.

Just because MB is making an I6, doesn't mean I6s are making a comeback.

I never said I'd be surprised, I said I'd be disappointed and that I wouldn't buy one based on a modified IS platform.

The boxer engine and Subie alliance was a much more deliberate choice to achieve a low CoG, not just Toyota didn't have any platform to build a sports coupe on. You can see this in videos and interviews with Tada. Toyota has more models than any other car manufacturer and it wouldn't have been difficult to turn one of them into a sports coupe. Your argument seems similar to those that perceive the 86 as some sort of automotive abortion rushed to market. I really don't see evidence of that.

If you say so.

Well, the I6 revival is based on the rise of powerful and capable turbo I4s. Guess what, Toyota is developing powerful I4's to replace the V6. Let's see how long the V6 lasts when it just makes more economic sense to make and assemble I4s derived from I6s or vice versa. The V8 has been under threat too recently so keep ing them around to lop off a few cylinders for a V6 might not make much sense anymore. Yes, Toyota has been working on V6TTs, they've also been working on a hybrid 86 and twin charged 86.

Supra could get a V6, it could possibly not.

Btw, Z4 is going to bigger man. There's supposedly a spot open for a smaller/cheaper roadster under the Z4.

I'd prefer a Toyota I-6 to a BMW I-6 or Toyota V6. Though tbh, if it's not as capable as the 2zz-ge or close, well...tough sell. That heart is what made the Supra.

[vh_supra26]

@abraxis, sorry if I came off rude. I thought it was a good fun debate.

Anyways, there are 3 major auto shows coming up (Paris, LA, and MotorCity). So lets wait for some official news before we start jumping on each others back.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by gymratter

I think the nose maybe toned down a bit. Toyota has been toying around with the idea of the nose for awhile. 1st on that old Celica concept. Than with the FT HS concept. And more recently with that DS4 concept/next Prius.

Toyota wasn't solely reponsible for the Ultimate Celica Concept though. That was done by Rod Millen Motorsports.

I don't hate it, really. It's different, and its grown on me a bit. But I just don't see it passing crash regulations. The FT-HS and the DS4 have more prominent noses on the front, but not nearly as dramatic or spear-like.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Toyota wasn't solely reponsible for the Ultimate Celica Concept though. That was done by Rod Millen Motorsports.

I don't hate it, really. It's different, and its grown on me a bit. But I just don't see it passing crash regulations. The FT-HS and the DS4 have more prominent noses on the front, but not nearly as dramatic or spear-like.

oh ok, i didnt know that.

It was NS4, not DS4, sorry. yup, i think if they really really want to keep the nose than it would have to be tone down to the scale of the FT HS and NS4.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i don't see what's so wrong about using the RCF's V8 in FT1. The Vette's V8 is used on other models as well. sharing power trains saves on both time and money for Toyota. in the end of day just be happy they're building the damn thing.

I'd be down with that if the environmental gods and bean counters allow Toyota to get away with it. I'd also hope for $60K it's mounted behind the front axle and has a torquetube running to a rear mounted transmission. Hate to see GM and the Corvette have all the fun.

[AKBrrrrrrrrZ]

And here I thought all this activity had to do with more good news.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i would think dropping in a 2UR-GSE would be more feasible than developing brand new powertrain. also I don't think the Toyota V8 is going away anytime soon. the UR series is used in high end Lexus models as well as Toyota trucks.

Not any time soon, but the heat is on you could say.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-en...next-is-f.html

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Not any time soon, but the heat is on you could say.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-en...next-is-f.html

but than I dont understand why they put a V8 in the RCF. also the production LF-LC will most likely use the V8 as well.

plus the UR series isn't even that old yet. it was introduce in 2006. Toyota used the old UZ series for about 20 years before dropping it.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by gymratter

but than I dont understand why they put a V8 in the RCF. also the production LF-LC will most likely use the V8 as well.

plus the UR series isn't even that old yet. it was introduce in 2006. Toyota used the old UZ series for about 20 years before dropping it.

Stage 2 becomes compulsory in 2017, Stage 1 happens in September.

http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-138...0-0-0-0-0.html

What autos could get away with in the past has nothing to do with future regulations. The 86 only makes 200hp because of emissions targets.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Stage 2 becomes compulsory in 2017, Stage 1 happens in September.

http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-138...0-0-0-0-0.html

What autos could get away with in the past has nothing to do with future regulations. The 86 only makes 200hp because of emissions targets.

i see, well maybe Europe will get a different power train to meet their stricter emission standards (V6 turbo or V6 hybrid?). Or maybe Toyota may not even offer FT1 for the European market. last time i checked the MKIV and 86 weren't hot sellers in Europe.

[vividracing]

If they are going to title the car as the next supra, they need to equip it with a straight 6 in order to stay consistent with the car's lineage.

Toyota needs to name it something different if their plan is to power it with anything other then that.

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Toyota FT-1: Interview w/ CALTY President Kevin Hunter & Designers Alex Shen & William Chergosky

http://www.ft1club.com/forums/showth...-amp-William-C

Always good to get new info but I can't imagine why either this interviewer or Leno, talking directly with the designers, didn't ask where they are in the production approval process, if approved what's the production timeline, what are benchmark specs and comparable cars and what power unit options are being considered?

[juliog]

I hope the FT-1/Supra isn't such a porker as the RC F, which according to Lexus will weigh almost 4000lbs.

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Pricing for the new Lexus RC-F starts at $62,400. Pretty close to FT-1's hinted price tag.

And to think that it was only ten short years ago that my IS300 M/T that cost half as much and weighed 750 lbs. less even with it's iron block 2JZ started what became the 3XX series.

I'm sure it delivers the goods, but is it really twice as nice as an IS300? I'll have to drive one to see. It's an interesting car, no doubt, and comes standard with pretty much everything needed to hold it's own at a track day. Autoweek likes it:

http://autoweek.com/article/car-revi...pe-first-drive