Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

The only automaker that still makes I6 is BMW :/

FT-1 actually does have back seats.

Those seats...

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

You really don't have any. And according to your post, it shows you know nothing about the Supra and its history.

I never called you names or anything. And if you think I'm a ****, just wait until you meet some of the other people around here.

Lol, talk about overreacting and sensitive. I see nothing but name calling and generalizing rather than specifics, sorry if I'm not impressed by some of the 'experts' here that claim to know I know nothing by posting absolutely nothing to support that.

[abraxis]

Japanese halo supercars (stock/and or tuned): Supra/GTR/NSX/RX7; RC is a BMW competitor not worthy of Japanese halo/cult status. See the difference??

No future RX7?
http://wot.motortrend.com/1407_we_he...ke_450_hp.html

RC is an IS platform with more welds, a different rocker panel and a GS front suspension. Next Supra? Lol, no.
http://www.torquenews.com/1083/new-2...door-lexus-350

Not to mention, what would Toyota need BMW for when they are just going to use a RC platflorm anyway? Supra chassis has been linked to the next Z4, not the RC.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...-ar164379.html

Removing the nose makes it cheap and easy to comply with NHTSA? Of course. Is it impossible to make it crash worthy? No. Technology already has been raced to withstand forces beyond NHTSA specs. The pedestrian bump can be reduced by pushing the engine front/midship as many can and have done already. The question is, how bad do they want to keep it and how much the can mitigate any extra costs versus potential sales. Personally I'd rather see engineers push the accountants unlike some here that seem so eager to just call it quits and puss out.

Supra should be about innovating and pushing limits, not reskinning/rebadging other models like 80's GM. The idea that the car needs to cost $375k to do that is silly.

Also the RC is not the Lexus flagship sports car which is even more reason why it wouldn't underpin the Supra.

The current V6 is also long in the tooth and will be replaced by something else all across the model ranges, no point in thinking the current 3.5L will just get dropped in there.

You guys talking about taking a IS/RC platform with a GS suspension and dropping a current 3.5L V6 in there with a sexy skin are talking about a $40K car at best, not a $60K car. Think about it and stop relying on rumors from random sales or marketing people that rarely know wtf they are talking about.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

You're comments were idiotic.

K, for example? How many times do I need to ask for a specific from the experts here?

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Lexus and Toyota employees over at ClubLexus and SupraForums have confirmed that Toyota is testing a new V6TT. It will most likely be used in the next IS-F. And from a business case, maybe on FT-1 as well.

Lol, thanks for confirming you DON'T know and are guessing using 'common sense.' The same common sense that could said to put BMW working on the Supra platform meaning something with the fact that the FT1 concept clearly was designed with an inline 6 under the long hood.

So yes, we are all guessing at this point, please don't get all high and mighty about your opinion on the matter. It's just an opinion.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Look at the past... MKIV underpin the Lexus SC...

First, I'm not sure I buy the RC sharing a heritage with the SC. That's sounds stupid to me. Especially since reports state Lexus is still developing a future SC.

Second, the Supra underpinned the SC, not the other way around! So that combined with the first, if you employ common sense, indicates the RC is NOT the platform, but the future Supra will underpin the future SC which is rumored to be around $100K.

So what's the other stupid stuff you don't understand? Anything else??

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Its a freaking V design... Dual intake ports...

I get that. They need the concept to actually move. Do I need to link the video of the designer talking about designing around an inline or can you remember that on your own?

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

How do you know that the BMW/Toyota car is the new Supra??? Sounds like you are the one that is believing every rumor that is out there...

Toyota to develop the Supra alone, joint sports car will be the next BMW Z4 - report

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11401176...ports-car-will

BMW Confirms Talks with Toyota on Roadster, Dismisses Rumors About Axing Mini's Range

http://www.carscoops.com/2014/03/bmw...toyota-on.html

Yeah, except your articles are older than the latest ones by 3-6 months.

I'm pretty surprised how entrenched that your knowledge is superior to everyone else's and no other possibilities could be right despite any evidence to the contrary. Impressive amount of stubborness even for the internet.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Um I posted the damn video, I should know.

What they said is that they want it appear that it is in the lineage of Supras and 2000GTs. That doesn't mean its going to be a I6...

Correct! Now does that statement mean it's going to be a V6? No. Maybe it will be a V6TT or maybe not. But thanks for confirming that it was designed with that heritage in mind.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Where did anyone said the RC is related too the SC???

In your own analogy dude. Are you backing off the RC as underpinning the Supra now?

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

That "links" you posted are just rumors. One of the ones that I posted was confirmed by a BMW spokesperson, so it doesn't matter how old it is..;

Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up. Glad to get the 'facts' straightened out here first.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

No I'm not. What everyone has been saying from day one is that there is nothing wrong with using an existing drive train from any existing Lexus model.

What we didn't say was that the RC is the new SC... Learn to read ok.

No, people said the RC > next Supra which is akin to mk4 > SC. Yeah, difficult stuff for some to comprehend the difference I suppose.

If you have an official guide to reading, please share via pm. I don't want the unofficial one which is comprised of just rumors.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

No, what we are saying is that there is nothing wrong with using a Lexus as a base for the FT-1. Seeing how the MKIV also shared platforms with a Lexus. No one every said RC = SC, please find me that quote. Wait you can't? Didn't think so.

What you are saying is that FT-1 will get a new drivetrain just for that one model. That doesn't make any sense. That isn't how the auto industry works.

I'll rather believe people on ClubLexus and SupraForums that have been right about Toyota in past over some newbie.

To help you along, cuz we seem to have a communication failure here. One or two said the Supra would be based on the RC, that this is like the SC being based on the mk4. See the inference/relationship in the grammar there? Hope so. I clearly pointed out to you how the logical relationship is future Supra > future SC, like the mk4 > old SC. No RC involved. That was the nature of my initial post about not buying the Supra if it was based on the RC. IF you have forgotten or chosen to have selective memory, please go back and reread the posts to freshen up please.

No I did not ever say the Supra would get a one off powertrain. Please kindly quote me that interpretation you've developed?

A BMW I-6 would be a common core engine in it's lineup just as it is with the 86 and the H4. That's the point going back to you saying the Supra is too special a nameplate to have another engine, yet the Hachiroku has done exactly that. I think the 86 is pretty special nameplate in Toyota history.

Also, a new I-6 for the Supra doesn't mean it wouldn't be used in any other Toyota. That's you jumping the shark and putting words in my moouth. Mercedes is ditching V6s in favor of going with inline 6's and I4s. I don't see why similar development couldn't happen at Toyota. I6s are making a comeback in the industry.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Do you even own a BMW? If you do than you wouldn't be making the comments that you have been... Toyota is known for reliable cars, so why the heck would take put a Bimmer motor in?

Lol, you need to stop talking. I'm a big Toyota fan and dislike BMW in many ways. You're putting me in a position to link sludging Toyota V6s, carbonized valves on IS250s and leaking inverters on hybrids to name a few. I think you need to stop being petulant as we both seem to like Toyota.

The BMW I-6 is the least of the worries I have about BMWs tbh.