Manuel vs automatic transmission?

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by Churg

Back when I purchased mine at the beginning of the year, there were maybe 3 or 4 FI kits for the Auto. There was also only a handful of front pipes you could get for the autos as well. I'm sure this has gotten better, this is just the last time I've researched the autos. You'll also have less tuning options.

Again, this is all just from the last time I had my auto and was looking for parts for it.

So what I'm getting, is you honestly don't know because you haven't looked in a year. And throwing broad statements out to look down on autos.

Tuning platforms are all the same. Actual options within the tune (flat foot shift etc) cannot be added to an auto...because it automatically does it from the factory. Once again, I stand behind my fact that anything that can be done to a manual, can be done to an auto.

I have yet to see an exhaust that says only for manuals, without having a second option for autos. I have yet to see anyone say an FI kit won't fit an auto. And no one has said anything about not being able to tune an auto with ecutek, oft, or brzedit.

[Skeneypoo]

Originally Posted by totopo

Torque converter auto != semi-automatic transmission != dual clutch transmission.

And I dunno, for pure track times, a straight cut sequential dog box would probably fare pretty well against semi-autos

I'm not really sure what you said, but i think i now agree

[boredom.is.me]

Originally Posted by Shutter

not to threadjack, but what are the differences between the frs and brz?

Daily driving? Racing? Getting groceries?

And which is the best exhaust?

Exterior
- headlights, front bumpers
Performance
- BRZ-stiffer front springs
- FR-S-stiffer rear springs
- they are the same friggin car
Can't even really compare the interior anymore since you can get an FR-S at the same spec now.

[Grateful Dave]

They say the AT is the same one as in the Lexus IS-F minus 2 gears. It can't be that bad. I bought the AT 2 years ago and I still like it.

[caus]

Sports mode feels quite nice on the AT. Plus, if you want to control the downshifting to tear into a corner, a couple clicks of the paddle and you've got the extra high rpm power right when you want it.

If you take over shifting during auto-D, you get a temporary manual mode that will resume to full-auto after a bit.

Plus as a programmer, fits my style more to have the shifting algorithm do the work for me until I want to take over. Best of both worlds imo (ignoring the visceral feeling of using the clutch pedal).

[Skeneypoo]

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me

Exterior
- headlights, front bumpers
Performance
- BRZ-stiffer front springs
- FR-S-stiffer rear springs
- they are the same friggin car
Can't even really compare the interior anymore since you can get an FR-S at the same spec now.

LOL he answered

[brandonblt2]

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me

Come back when you know what you're talking about. Why don't you go do some basic research before throwing misleading info around.

Those triple digit dollar cars use double clutch transmissions. You can't shift nearly as fast as the tech that comes with those cars. Good luck finding that on a sub $30K car. Manual is king for performance at realistic price ranges, with the exception of the VW GTI's.

The lancer ralliart as a dual clutch for under 30k. But everything else that you said I agree with.

[Hot Lava]

I wonder though, which one is more durable behind a modified high hp motor? Certainly, the manual must be cheaper to maintain.

[Churg]

Originally Posted by J_kennington

So what I'm getting, is you honestly don't know because you haven't looked in a year. And throwing broad statements out to look down on autos.

Tuning platforms are all the same. Actual options within the tune (flat foot shift etc) cannot be added to an auto...because it automatically does it from the factory. Once again, I stand behind my fact that anything that can be done to a manual, can be done to an auto.

I have yet to see an exhaust that says only for manuals, without having a second option for autos. I have yet to see anyone say an FI kit won't fit an auto. And no one has said anything about not being able to tune an auto with ecutek, oft, or brzedit.

Not trying to down on an auto, as I've stated multiple times before, I had one before. I was simply stating that because of the path I was going down, it didn't suit what I wanted, and those were the reasons for me switching. I wanted a manual due to the extra power without having to buy a new final drive kit, tuning options like launch control, and at the time, the front pipe I had wanted to purchase was only available in a manual. The exhaust is no longer the case.

I never said you couldn't tune an auto, but you can't have a true launch control on an auto either with a tune. And after doing a quick search, I've found that it doesn't look like JDL, PTuning, or RevWorks offer FI for automatics. It's also nice having the option to swap out the clutch and flywheel to have the car rev faster. Just a few things off the top of my head that are options available to a manual.

As I said in my first post, they are both fun to drive, and I don't think you can really go wrong with either one. After experiencing both sides in the same car, I've personally enjoyed my car much more as a manual than an auto. All I was trying to say. But thanks for commenting on my personal opinion, I appreciate the entertainment for the day

[J_kennington]

Originally Posted by Hot Lava

I wonder though, which one is more durable behind a modified high hp motor? Certainly, the manual must be cheaper to maintain.

Cheaper to rebuild. Maintaining either Trans is basically just keeping good fluid in it. The auto does have the "extra" cost of a filter. As far as which one is stronger, much to early to tell. Even more so considering the problems one of the transmissions has suffered from the factory.

I personally own an auto, and drive a manual every couple of weekends. (Good friend owns a manual). Both are truly fantastic transmissions. The manual is "more fun" if you enjoy burnouts and probably would have bought one if I was wanting to drift with it. The auto will do both, but it takes more since you can't just dump the clutch at a high rpm and instantly break the tires. For my personal type of driving, dd and mountain runs, the auto is everything I needed. When dd'ing, I can leave it in auto. When on the mountains, I can use the paddles and shifter.

[stugray]

When I had a 2 hour commute each way, I traded in my MT Supra for a AT Solara.
My knee couldnt take it anymore.

Now that I moved & I have a 20 minute commute each way, I gave the Solara to the teenager & bought the MT BRZ.

Nuff said.

[iAgui]

Who's Manuel? A friend of yours?

[finch1750]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6485

[skyloran]

Originally Posted by sci3

Which one is better for a sports car?
What if one has to deal with traffic everyday?

if you are a men.. drove Manaual. 86 is 6speed sport car.. auto is for old ladies.