2013 Scion FR-S Information Posted to TIS - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

jdrxb9 · 04-06-2012, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brzmaybe

I'm trying to get my head around this one...

If the additional bolt is offered by Scion as an alternative part for the 2013 FR-S, then it (and its resulting alignment change) IS legal for SCCA stock autocross for the FR-S.

HOWEVER.... if Subaru does NOT offer the same part within its part catalog for the 2013 BRZ, then the part IS NOT legal for SCCA stock autocross for the BRZ, even though it's a form/fit/function replacement?

Your understanding matches mine and others I've read. However, I'm not affiliated with the scca in any way, so [insert your favorite pithy disclaimer here].

Quote:

Originally Posted by brzmaybe

For those of us wanting to autocross in a stock class, this is an interesting situation. These are the sorts of gotchas you wouldn't want to learn AFTER you'd bought your car.

I'm hedging my bets having placed an official BRZ order and also being 'on the list' at the local Scion dealership - with careful explanations to both that I need to see the respective FSM's before making a final purchase decision.

Future · 04-10-2012, 08:13 AM

On another note, where is the PDF

?

dsgerbc · 04-10-2012, 05:59 PM

+1 to those begging for a PDF. Via PM works too

Pretty please.

ft86Fan · 04-10-2012, 06:26 PM

Every time I see a new post in this thread, I would come in and check for the pdf. So far still disappointed

OrbitalEllipses · 04-10-2012, 06:28 PM

+infinity on the .pdf

I did notice that Toyota's 2 day account is far cheaper than Subaru's.

taosracer · 04-15-2012, 06:20 AM

Just checked STIS, no shop manual yet....

Toyota fr-s · 04-15-2012, 11:06 AM

Electrical wiring in PDF please!!!

Sport-Tech · 04-18-2012, 09:41 AM

Jeff, can you possibly use your access to the parts catalog to answer 2 questions?

Does the Canadian version of the car come with a TPMS? (They can be a pain with winter tires, you either live with the warning light or have to pay a dealer to reset it if you have sensors inserted in your winter rims, unless Toyota has used a system like Porsche's which can recognize a second set of wheels.)

And what is the diameter of the lug nuts (need a socket head for wheel swapping)?

DOTman05 · 04-18-2012, 11:19 AM

I have TIS as well never posted a PDF but i'll try anyone need any other PDF's?

MPot · 04-18-2012, 12:51 PM

The big question for me is, has there been a TSB released that shows "Crash Bolts" for both the Scion on the Subaru.
I haven't been following every new Toyota, but from what I remember most Toyotas (even the Previa) and Scion with struts was noted as being able to use them.
(This is important to anyone who wants to run in SCCA solo stock class.)
Thanks!
Mike

Jeff Lange · 04-18-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

Jeff, can you possibly use your access to the parts catalog to answer 2 questions?

Does the Canadian version of the car come with a TPMS?

It looks like yes, it does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

And what is the diameter of the lug nuts (need a socket head for wheel swapping)?

I don't have that information, but I'd guess it's going to be the same as Subaru normally uses, which is probably 19mm (most Toyotas use 21mm).

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPot

The big question for me is, has there been a TSB released that shows "Crash Bolts" for both the Scion on the Subaru.
I haven't been following every new Toyota, but from what I remember most Toyotas (even the Previa) and Scion with struts was noted as being able to use them.
(This is important to anyone who wants to run in SCCA solo stock class.)
Thanks!
Mike

This was already covered in another thread, but if you need to adjust camber, you can replace the upper bolt with the same bolt that the lower one uses and get adjustment that way.

Jeff

MPot · 04-18-2012, 02:35 PM

Thank you, I did find that thread about switching the bolts.
But I'm hoping that Toyota will offer completly different bolts. For example, when I was running my 2nd generation MR2, Toyota had a TSB that allowed you to use any of three different size bolts. I actually ran 2.8 deg negative camber, in the front of the MR2.
I was just trying to see if anyone who worked at a dealership had seen anything yet.
Thanks,
Mike

Jeff Lange · 04-18-2012, 05:06 PM

No, there isn't anything like that listed yet, and I have a feeling there probably won't be, but I can't say for sure.

Jeff

jdrxb9 · 04-18-2012, 06:25 PM

Mike,

It is my understanding that Toyota has been putting their 'crash bolt' documentation (probably should really be called camber adjustment bolts) right in the service manual for a while now.

You can see a good example in the '05 Scion TC manual over on scionlife: http://www.scionlife.com/tech/manual/?manual=tc05_0001

As Jeff noted, the info in the service manual and also the info that Jeff provided elsewhere (link) that each bolt callout only references one part number seems to indicate we're stuck with relatively little adjustment.

However, I'd love to see any info on relatively recent Toyota crash bolt TSB's (for any model) if you've got it!

04-10-2012, 06:26 PM	#18
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04-18-2012, 05:06 PM	#27
Jeff Lange Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 1986 AE86 GT-S, 2011 Lexus IS250 6M Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 661 Thanks: 136 Thanked 362 Times in 161 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s)	No, there isn't anything like that listed yet, and I have a feeling there probably won't be, but I can't say for sure. Jeff __________________ 2011 Lexus IS350 F-Sport 6MT with LSD 1986 Toyota Corolla GT-S Supercharged

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DOTman05 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: Evo 8 Location: SoCal Posts: 76 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	I have TIS as well never posted a PDF but i'll try anyone need any other PDF's?

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MPot Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: SSC #79 Location: Buffalo Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	The big question for me is, has there been a TSB released that shows "Crash Bolts" for both the Scion on the Subaru. I haven't been following every new Toyota, but from what I remember most Toyotas (even the Previa) and Scion with struts was noted as being able to use them. (This is important to anyone who wants to run in SCCA solo stock class.) Thanks! Mike

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MPot Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: SSC #79 Location: Buffalo Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Thank you, I did find that thread about switching the bolts. But I'm hoping that Toyota will offer completly different bolts. For example, when I was running my 2nd generation MR2, Toyota had a TSB that allowed you to use any of three different size bolts. I actually ran 2.8 deg negative camber, in the front of the MR2. I was just trying to see if anyone who worked at a dealership had seen anything yet. Thanks, Mike

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jdrxb9 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: ND2, formerly BRZ (MT/CBS) Location: PA Posts: 200 Thanks: 27 Thanked 73 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Mike, It is my understanding that Toyota has been putting their 'crash bolt' documentation (probably should really be called camber adjustment bolts) right in the service manual for a while now. You can see a good example in the '05 Scion TC manual over on scionlife: http://www.scionlife.com/tech/manual/?manual=tc05_0001 As Jeff noted, the info in the service manual and also the info that Jeff provided elsewhere (link) that each bolt callout only references one part number seems to indicate we're stuck with relatively little adjustment. However, I'd love to see any info on relatively recent Toyota crash bolt TSB's (for any model) if you've got it!

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