Automatic FRS

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ubersuber

...Reason is the power flow is virtually uninterrupted during an automatic shift....

That was the one thing I had a difficult transition to when I started using the AT paddles, keeping my foot in it. My muscle memory automatically want to drive like I was driving a manual, because changing gears.

[Josharooni]

Eh, I think it's snobby for people to judge you if you have a manual or not. Just dont give a fuck and enjoy the ride

[djmm]

While we're on the topic, could anyone tell me how to make your current gear shows on dash when you're on full auto? (D mode)
I though I saw it somewhere but I couldn't find the thread.

[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by djmm

While we're on the topic, could anyone tell me how to make your current gear shows on dash when you're on full auto? (D mode)
I though I saw it somewhere but I couldn't find the thread.

I haven't been able to do it. You can do it in a manual car, but not the auto as far as I've seen. I followed the instructions for doing it in a manual, and the option isn't there for us. I wish I could see this too - would be nice to know what the car is doing. Sometimes it seems like it just disengages the torque converter clutch instead of downshifting, and I'd like to see when that happens.

[rs999]

Question about the auto:

How is the automatic engagement when you punch it? Is there immediate connection between gas and transmission or is there a bit of a stall before the engine and transmission engage before you take off?

For example I traded rides with my friend who dailies a v6 auto Camaro rs. When I would get on the gas after coming out of a turn the car would lug until I guess the torque converter and engine had caught up with each other.

It was like driving a turbo car with lots of lag. Step on the gas, nothing, then boom the V6 power kicks in.

Is the auto fr-s the same way?

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by rs999

Question about the auto:

How is the automatic engagement when you punch it? Is there immediate connection between gas and transmission or is there a bit of a stall before the engine and transmission engage before you take off?

For example I traded rides with my friend who dailies a v6 auto Camaro rs. When I would get on the gas after coming out of a turn the car would lug until I guess the torque converter and engine had caught up with each other.

It was like driving a turbo car with lots of lag. Step on the gas, nothing, then boom the V6 power kicks in.

Is the auto fr-s the same way?

No.

[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by rs999

Question about the auto:

How is the automatic engagement when you punch it? Is there immediate connection between gas and transmission or is there a bit of a stall before the engine and transmission engage before you take off?

For example I traded rides with my friend who dailies a v6 auto Camaro rs. When I would get on the gas after coming out of a turn the car would lug until I guess the torque converter and engine had caught up with each other.

It was like driving a turbo car with lots of lag. Step on the gas, nothing, then boom the V6 power kicks in.

Is the auto fr-s the same way?

The connection is very direct. Everyone who goes for a ride in this comments how much snappier it is than any other auto. It's as close to DTC as you can get without a massive price tag.

Plus, if you drive in manual mode while you're driving aggressively (as you probably would), the connection is mechanical via the lock-up clutch, and the torque converter doesn't even come into play.

[rs999]

Originally Posted by kavanagh

The connection is very direct. Everyone who goes for a ride in this comments how much snappier it is than any other auto. It's as close to DTC as you can get without a massive price tag.

Plus, if you drive in manual mode while you're driving aggressively (as you probably would), the connection is mechanical via the lock-up clutch, and the torque converter doesn't even come into play.

Thanks, that is the information I was looking for. I don't expect the FR-S Auto gearbox to be as immediate as my GTI's DSG box but I wanted to know how connected it was in terms of throttle response.

[EZx2]

You will be surprised, but DSG, not so good, as you describe it here.
Mostely, becase of being connected to turbo, so no direct response at all.
Connection, good one, I think you have on high RPM!
So, every NA engine feels more connected to transmission @HIgh rpm. And that's why we going to buy HighRpmEd cars!

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[djmm]

I have these little bad habits that I do from time to time and I know it's not something I should do:
1. when I'm on a wide,quiet road with no incoming cars on sight, I sometime gun it in order to beat the traffic light. So the scenario is I drive say at 40mph and then oh shit light turned yellow, I will then floor the pedal if it's safe to do so.
2. If I'm not familiar with the road and have to do urgent lane chang (ie to make a road turn), I might floor the pedal to quickly give me enough safe distance between me and the car behind me on the lane that I am merging to.

I know I must have pressed the pedal too aggressively because when I floored it, I could feel the engine sort of "caught off guard" and there's like a half second or so delay before the engine revved high and picked up the speed.

And since it's only short burst, I ended up with releasing the gas pedal to drop speed and the engine was still whirring in high rpm because I floored it.

What's the short term/long term damage of this habit you think? Or do you think high revving engine wouldn't mind this kind of treatment every now and then? (Providing I'm not red lining it)

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by djmm

...What's the short term/long term damage of this habit you think? Or do you think high revving engine wouldn't mind this kind of treatment every now and then?...

The on/off throttle could wear on it over time I suppose, but Subaru engines definitely don't have an issue running at high revs for long periods of time. They are a very popular engine for experimental aircraft because of the boxer configuration. In that environment they run at about 90% of RPM for hours on end with no issues. I've flown with them in both a gyrocopter and a fixed wing airplane, and would not hesitate to do it again.

[Grim-Reaper]

I'm looking for information about the lock-up clutch.

Does it engage only in manual mode or in D, too? Restricted to certain gears?

[Mossyjaw]

Originally Posted by NWFRS

This is my first automatic.

It's also my first new car.

No regrets.

I want to drive the wheels off this thing, which probably means at least 200k miles and twenty years. I'll be fifty in twenty years. I don't want to struggle to commute with a cup of hot tea in my old age. I've already had one kidney transplant.

The automatic is only about a second-or-so slower. Even the slowest of our cars would have been a supercar thirty years ago.

As far as bragging rights go, anyone who would put someone else down (in person) for the car they bought is a ****. Most people who brag about how quick their car is is usually compensating for something else. Or jealous. Or lying anyway.

I like my "slow" car just fine. :-)

I had a transplant at 26, now I'm 33 and doing good, hope you are too! I bought the manual and love it but I can see myself buying more of a GT car with a good paddle shift transmission next.

[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by Grim-Reaper

I'm looking for information about the lock-up clutch.

Does it engage only in manual mode or in D, too? Restricted to certain gears?

The lock up clutch engages in auto and manual, also regardless of the sport mode. It is based on throttle position, RPM and load (plus maybe other stuff...?).


I've heard that it never engages in 1st gear, but I'm not 100% certain of that myself. I have DashCommand and there is a PID for AT Lock Up Status, but I haven't seen it populate any values in any mode or gear. I'm gonna talk to Palmer Performance to see if they have it working on the right parameters.