Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[Thatruth2001]

Originally Posted by Robftss

Thks Fenton and all the new interested people.
I will be revising the installl manual, after ~30 kits it looks like step by step, circles/arrows, and check boxes are required. I may tag wires and reference them to a # operation, torque specs as well... since 'tighten' is to subjective. I need to evaluate one re-charge board failure and a control board failure. This is ALL new stuff and is primarily a development product not a mass produced product... it can't be... there is 'more' potential here. I'm excited

Rob.

Why are you calling me out it was an honest mistake....... Ok I blew the new aux charger by connection the 24 volt positve line tho the negative terminal post. If you all did not know I have messed up a couple of units in the past so once I pass the install test, then Rob releases.... The original install story was epic!

All is good!

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by Thatruth2001

Why are you calling me out it was an honest mistake....... Ok I blew the new aux charger by connection the 24 volt positve line tho the negative terminal post. If you all did not know I have messed up a couple of units in the past so once I pass the install test, then Rob releases.... The original install story was epic!

All is good!

Nice job!

[Target70]

Could someone tell me what gauge wire the phantom harness uses between the batteries and the controller?
It seems that Rob is no longer supporting the 2.0 dump, but I am already fully in invested, so I'll have to do a custom install. I'm just trying to figure out if I need 4awg, or 6awg, to jump the packs together. I'll probably buy 1 foot of 3/4 copper plumbing pipe to flatten and use for the bus bar since I can't find any.. and I haven't figured out what kind of plastic/nylon/pvc I will use for the block above the batteries, so I may have to use wood.

any info would be appreciated.

[reignerabellera]

any ways this could also be purchase and ship here in DUBAI UAE, ive been reading this thread and now convince. I want this one BADLY :,(

[l0aded]

I can't wait for this =). Thanks for all the work to develop this platform Rob.

[Target70]

I have been talking with Rob about the 2.0 dump pack. Although I do not think there is any interest in the 2.0 since the 1.5 came out, I wanted to get the word out. Rob has Officially phased out the 2.0 dump pack. Everyone who was running the 2.0 pack has converted to the 1.5. He will not support or modify harness or mounting parts for the dual setup. As I have already done modifications in preperation for the 2.0, I will have to custom install. Rob will not warranty custom setups.. so wish me luck

also, Shiv, or Jpit(the only ones I know were running the 2.0), I don't know if the battery block was reused for the 1.5, or if you just have it laying around, but If it is now a spare part, would you please PM me if you would be willing to sell it? If it's Shiv, you could thow it in the box with my header which should be coming in about 2 weeks. I could also use that second battery bus bar.

Thanks.

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Target70

I have been talking with Rob about the 2.0 dump pack. Although I do not think there is any interest in the 2.0 since the 1.5 came out, I wanted to get the word out. Rob has Officially phased out the 2.0 dump pack. Everyone who was running the 2.0 pack has converted to the 1.5. He will not support or modify harness or mounting parts for the dual setup. As I have already done modifications in preperation for the 2.0, I will have to custom install. Rob will not warranty custom setups.. so wish me luck

also, Shiv, or Jpit(the only ones I know were running the 2.0), I don't know if the battery block was reused for the 1.5, or if you just have it laying around, but If it is now a spare part, would you please PM me if you would be willing to sell it? I could also use that second battery bus bar.

Thanks.

Good luck buddy! Sorry to hear the depressing news...

[fenton]

Originally Posted by raven1231

Good luck buddy! Sorry to hear the depressing news...

The main reason the 2.0 isn't supported is it doesn't make enough power to warrant the increased complexity and weight added to the car.

That and the increased complexity means its easy for people to make mistakes

[Target70]

Originally Posted by fenton

The main reason the 2.0 isn't supported is it doesn't make enough power to warrant the increased complexity and weight added to the car.

That and the increased complexity means its easy for people to make mistakes

I agree with the complexity part, but I have to disagree on the power part. math was never my strong suit, but this is what I figure:

The 2.0 dump: (26lbs x 2 = 52lbs), 30lb starter battery, and relocation kit(~8lbs) = 90lbs
The 1.5 dump kit(26+15+6+6 =53lbs),
difference of 37lbs more than the 1.5

When the starter battery goes bad and I replace it with the 15lb starter battery, it will only weigh 22lbs more.

In a PM with Rob he estimated a range of 2 to 4hp increase.
At 22lbs(lightweight starter battery + relocation kit) and with the low estimate of 2hp gained, that is a power to weight ratio of 11:1.
1.5 dump estimate 2800/215 = 13:1
1.0 dump pack 2800/205 = 13.65:1
stock car 2800/165 = 17:1

At the high estimate of 4hp, it becomes an obvious advantage, Even with the stock starter battery, 37lbs/4hp = 9.25:1, and the light weight starter battery kills it at 22lbs/4hp = 5.5:1

Is it more trouble than it is worth.. yeah, probably. Is it not enough power to weight? Just based on previous dynos and estimates I have to say no.

but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. I still think that there is a way to hook up a relay to disconnect one of the batteries from the 24v dump pack, causing it to be in a 12v config and use it for start up, and get rid of the starter battery completely. But I'm not an engineer, and Rob mentioned things about the relocation I don't know anything about like voltage spikes, or needing to hook up a battery tender to the starter batt once a month because it isn't recieving full alternator voltage. The electronic technician in me want's to argue, but the ignorance in me points me toward caution.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Target70

I agree with the complexity part, but I have to disagree on the power part. math was never my strong suit, but this is what I figure:

The 2.0 dump: (26lbs x 2 = 52lbs), 30lb starter battery, and relocation kit(~8lbs) = 90lbs
The 1.5 dump kit(26+15+6+6 =53lbs),
difference of 37lbs more than the 1.5

When the starter battery goes bad and I replace it with the 15lb starter battery, it will only weigh 22lbs more.

In a PM with Rob he estimated a range of 2 to 4hp increase.
At 22lbs(lightweight starter battery + relocation kit) and with the low estimate of 2hp gained, that is a power to weight ratio of 11:1.
1.5 dump estimate 2800/215 = 13:1
1.0 dump pack 2800/205 = 13.65:1
stock car 2800/165 = 17:1

At the high estimate of 4hp, it becomes an obvious advantage, Even with the stock starter battery, 37lbs/4hp = 9.25:1, and the light weight starter battery kills it at 22lbs/4hp = 5.5:1

Is it more trouble than it is worth.. yeah, probably. Is it not enough power to weight? Just based on previous dynos and estimates I have to say no.

but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. I still think that there is a way to hook up a relay to disconnect one of the batteries from the 24v dump pack, causing it to be in a 12v config and use it for start up, and get rid of the starter battery completely. But I'm not an engineer, and Rob mentioned things about the relocation I don't know anything about like voltage spikes, or needing to hook up a battery tender to the starter batt once a month because it isn't recieving full alternator voltage. The electronic technician in me want's to argue, but the ignorance in me points me toward caution.

While I understand where you are coming from it kind of exaggerates the results.

The best thing is to add the HP and weight to the total equation for the car.

2837lbs / 217hp = 13.0737327 which is about a .3% power to weight advantage over the 1.5 pack

Or at best a 1.2 percent advantage over the 1.5 dump using original starter battery.

Even if you consider the using the small starter its a 1.7 percent advantage.

Not trying to discourage you and if you are looking for more starting power it is certainly a good option but from a performance aspect it is kind of s moot point.

[Target70]

Originally Posted by fenton

While I understand where you are coming from it kind of exaggerates the results.

The best thing is to add the HP and weight to the total equation for the car.

2837lbs / 217hp = 13.0737327 which is about a .3% power to weight advantage over the 1.5 pack

Or at best a 1.2 percent advantage over the 1.5 dump using original starter battery.

Even if you consider the using the small starter its a 1.7 percent advantage.

Not trying to discourage you and if you are looking for more starting power it is certainly a good option but from a performance aspect it is kind of s moot point.

I agree the differences are so small they are moot, but that's why I argued based on the weight and agreed on the complexity. As I started modding my car for the Phantom, and 2.0 over 2 months ago, I think before the 1.5 was even an option, I can finish my setup for about $25, or I could spend over $200 on a 1.5 and trash all the time, money, and effort I have invested so far. Plus there is still the chance that a second charger, larger motor/compressor, or dinosaurs in a can will become available and will require more electrical capacity... then we'll see who get's the last laugh.

[enwave]

By the way, for those interested in my confusion about my 1.5dump tune feeling weaker than my 1.0dump tune due to high altitude, I was totally wrong.

It was temperature and air pressure on the days following my switch of tunes. I had been driving in nice cool, dry temps. My experience with the new tune was with much higher ambient temps. Now that it cooled off again, I can clearly see the 1.5dump 2.0 tune from Shiv is clearly the better tune, even at altitude. AFRs were nearly identical between the two, so the environment had to be the cause.

Edit: I also took another nonbeliever for a ride today and the dude was totally converted. Took him to a nice wide private road and really thrashed into boost -- he couldn't believe I've only spent a total of around $31k on car and mods together. This really is a steal.


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[silent runner]

Originally Posted by enwave

By the way, for those interested in my confusion about my 1.5dump tune feeling weaker than my 1.0dump tune due to high altitude, I was totally wrong.

It was temperature and air pressure on the days following my switch of tunes. I had been driving in nice cool, dry temps. My experience with the new tune was with much higher ambient temps. Now that it cooled off again, I can clearly see the 1.5dump 2.0 tune from Shiv is clearly the better tune, even at altitude. AFRs were nearly identical between the two, so the environment had to be the cause.

Edit: I also took another nonbeliever for a ride today and the dude was totally converted. Took him to a nice wide private road and really thrashed into boost -- he couldn't believe I've only spent a total of around $31k on car and mods together. This really is a steal.


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You get the point, many of you guys need to chill out a bit and enjoy what is going on... you are getting the first wave of a fantastic new area of performance developement. Drive the heck out the things and enjoy them as they are. Next year, maybe you will be able to make an upgrade, but remember, all this stuff has to be made to work with your current transmissions, clutches, differentials... and factory warranties.

If you really want to have some power, you might consider this version of my own car, with over 700hp @ the wheels. You would never have to feel short of power ever again, even if you were driving around with the family in the car.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifv5FPxy5QI&list=UUgsICHAe9OhM7PmUDyOL2Kg"]DMTCamry3MZ1000plus - YouTube[/ame]

[silent runner]

Do want to get really serious about speed?

How about a Nissan GTR?

It can get really stupid, if you want to to go fast...

Even in a 1990's Camry:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpVIRHKy4is"]728WHP Turbo Camry vs R35 Skyline GTR .wmv - YouTube[/ame]



Lets enjoy the experience of driving, without worrying too much about the outer limits of crazy.