Wheel Spacers on stock wheels??

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Alain

20 front. 25 rear. ARP extended studs. Wasnt too confident with the dual lugs. Cant wait to track mine.

Up here in the GWT (Canuckistan) mechanics and the D.O.T. seem to agree.

In Ontariarrio a mechanic will not issue a gov't safety certificate to a car with bolt on spacers.

The D.O.T. can pull the plates of a car with bolt on spacers.

I'm told that in sanctioned races bolt on spacers are a no no.

Seems to be the fact that the wheel is attached to a steel stud which is screwed into aluminum.

Anyways - I went 16 front, 20 rear with 18's, 7.5 - 48 offset and ARP studs in steel.
Will post pics when mounted.



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[RehabJeff86]

I hv ichiba 25mm front 35mm rear with stock suspension not lowered, feel like i can do 35mm all around

[RFB]

Originally Posted by RehabJeff86

I hv ichiba 25mm front 35mm rear with stock suspension not lowered, feel like i can do 35mm all around

To much poke and the wheels are in the airstream.
Also, more road shit gets thrown on the sides of the car.

Would look kick-ass though !





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[vignesh]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Chris

It will make the car take turns a little better, since the wheels are going to be pushed out a little further. Other than that, it doesn't really make any difference in how the car drives.

Is there a difference between going 20mm front and 25mm back vs 20mm all around.? Does that 5 mm consider as staggered setup. I have seen many rce comments on how staggered setup slowly ruins the car

[NissanGuy]

Originally Posted by vignesh

Is there a difference between going 20mm front and 25mm back vs 20mm all around.? Does that 5 mm consider as staggered setup. I have seen many rce comments on how staggered setup slowly ruins the car

You usually hear a lot of bad stuff about staggered tire setups, in this thread people are discussing staggered spacer setups. Spacers don't cause the kind of problem he's talking about.

[PERRIN_Chris]

Originally Posted by vignesh

Is there a difference between going 20mm front and 25mm back vs 20mm all around.? Does that 5 mm consider as staggered setup. I have seen many rce comments on how staggered setup slowly ruins the car

If you're going for all out handling, you might want to go with the same size all around. But if it's just a difference in a spacer and not tire size front and back, it doesn't make as much of a difference.

[JDB]

Hmmmmmm........have run spacers in jeep wranglers for years.......there is no law in canada against spacers. Have had several jeeps certified with them......and they were noticed by the inspectors.

Nothing wrong with spacers if you torque them down......

Originally Posted by RFB

Up here in the GWT (Canuckistan) mechanics and the D.O.T. seem to agree.

In Ontariarrio a mechanic will not issue a gov't safety certificate to a car with bolt on spacers.

The D.O.T. can pull the plates of a car with bolt on spacers.

I'm told that in sanctioned races bolt on spacers are a no no.

Seems to be the fact that the wheel is attached to a steel stud which is screwed into aluminum.

Anyways - I went 16 front, 20 rear with 18's, 7.5 - 48 offset and ARP studs in steel.
Will post pics when mounted.



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[RFB]

Originally Posted by JDB

Hmmmmmm........have run spacers in jeep wranglers for years.......there is no law in canada against spacers. Have had several jeeps certified with them......and they were noticed by the inspectors.

Nothing wrong with spacers if you torque them down......

I was referring to the spacers where the spacer bolts to the normal studs, and the wheel is bolted to new studs which are threaded or pressed into ALUMINUM spacer material. Not proper spacers.

This info was relayed to me by a certified professional mechanic with 40 yrs experience who also builds and races cars .

There is no Canada law governing spacers or vehicle safety rules, those laws vary from province to province as it is a provincial, not federal jurisdiction. Vehicular safety certificates are issued by licensed mechanics according to provincial laws and provincial ministry of transport guidlines.

If a mechanic issues a safety certificate on a vehicle deemed unsafe according to provincial vehicle safety law (Highway Traffic Act) Ministry Of Transport guidelines or the opinion of a Ministry Of Transport Inspector, the issuing mechanic can lose his licence.
And yes, you can find a mechanic who will certify an unsafe vehicle (they usually charge much more for a safety certificate).

A Ministry of Transport Inspector has the authority to confiscate the plates of any vehicle that he has the opinion is unsafe.
Even a cop can pull your plates if he sees one bald tire (in his opinion) !

I am only passing on info given to me by my mechanic buddy, but I do know an M.O.T. inspector, and the next time I see him I will ask him for legalese chapter and verse.

In any case - I don't like the idea of my wheels being bolted to studs that are pressed into soft aluminum. My spacers are mounted to steel as is the original normal design.

I feel MUCH safer going around corners at over 100 M.P.H.





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[DAEMANO]

H&R Track+ Spacers (the bolt on kind) are made from a H&R proprietary aluminum/magnesium alloy and are TUV approved. Countless wheel mfgs won't put themselves through the TUV process. I feel safe running anything that's gone through this.

http://www.hrsprings.ie/trak.html
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein"]Technischer Ãœberwachungsverein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Originally Posted by RFB

I was referring to the spacers where the spacer bolts to the normal studs, and the wheel is bolted to new studs which are threaded or pressed into ALUMINUM spacer material. Not proper spacers.

This info was relayed to me by a certified professional mechanic with 40 yrs experience who also builds and races cars .

There is no Canada law governing spacers or vehicle safety rules, those laws vary from province to province as it is a provincial, not federal jurisdiction. Vehicular safety certificates are issued by licensed mechanics according to provincial laws and provincial ministry of transport guidlines.

If a mechanic issues a safety certificate on a vehicle deemed unsafe according to provincial vehicle safety law (Highway Traffic Act) Ministry Of Transport guidelines or the opinion of a Ministry Of Transport Inspector, the issuing mechanic can lose his licence.
And yes, you can find a mechanic who will certify an unsafe vehicle (they usually charge much more for a safety certificate).

A Ministry of Transport Inspector has the authority to confiscate the plates of any vehicle that he has the opinion is unsafe.
Even a cop can pull your plates if he sees one bald tire (in his opinion) !

I am only passing on info given to me by my mechanic buddy, but I do know an M.O.T. inspector, and the next time I see him I will ask him for legalese chapter and verse.

In any case - I don't like the idea of my wheels being bolted to studs that are pressed into soft aluminum. My spacers are mounted to steel as is the original normal design.

I feel MUCH safer going around corners at over 100 M.P.H.





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[RFB]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

H&R Track+ Spacers (the bolt on kind) are made from a H&R proprietary aluminum/magnesium alloy and are TUV approved. Countless wheel mfgs won't put themselves through the TUV process. I feel safe running anything that's gone through this.

http://www.hrsprings.ie/trak.html
Technischer Ãœberwachungsverein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may indeed be safe as the stock FRS doesn't make enough horsepower and torque to hurt itself on the highway.

I wonder if high horsepower FRS racers use bolt on spacers.

In any case, in my mind as a hard core tracker I feel safer with steel as steel is stronger than aluminum.
Also - bolt ons are heavier - more unsprung weight (more bolts).
Certainly much easier to install for a back yarder.



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[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by RFB

You may indeed be safe as the stock FRS doesn't make enough horsepower and torque to hurt itself on the highway.

I wonder if high horsepower FRS racers use bolt on spacers.

In any case, in my mind as a hard core tracker I feel safer with steel as steel is stronger than aluminum.
Also - bolt ons are heavier - more unsprung weight (more bolts).
Certainly much easier to install for a back yarder.



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Thanks

There is no doubt bolt on spacers are not the preferred option for the track. Heck, lowering the offset may not be preferred at all depending on the car's suspension geometry. That's all kind of a given.

A vendor I purchased bolt on spacers from contacted H&R directly, they stated that above 25mm, slip on spacers are not recommended that is why their Track+ line moves to bolt on for widths 25mm and wider for the FR-S.

In any case, I ran bolt on spacers on my stock wheels (20mm F/25mm R)for about a year and 8k miles with no issues. 6 months in, I mildly supercharged the car at about 225whp and 200wtq. Still no issues.

It's likely that when an owner moves beyond "just for looks" or a weekend warrior type hobby they also upgrade their wheel/tire package or purchase a separate set of track wheels and rubber that have more appropriate offsets. If they have to clear a BBK or suspension component they might slip on a 3mm-5mm spacer but that's not what the discussion is about.

No disrespect, but the "high-horsepower FRS racers" you mention generally fall into the group that upgrade their wheels & tires from stock specs making that kind of a moot point. In any case I wouldn't imagine anyone using steel spacers over aluminum/magnesium alloy OR properly sized wheels in a car like the '86. However if that's what they prefer, more power to them.

[CenCali86]

Looks good! Any chance you can post which spacers you went with? I have been looking around and pretty much all of the 25mm spacers I see have the offset studs. I have the ARP extended studs now and was not sure if there would be enough stud thread left after that big of a spacer.

Originally Posted by Alain

20 front. 25 rear. ARP extended studs. Wasnt too confident with the dual lugs. Cant wait to track mine.

[Alain]

Originally Posted by CenCali86

Looks good! Any chance you can post which spacers you went with? I have been looking around and pretty much all of the 25mm spacers I see have the offset studs. I have the ARP extended studs now and was not sure if there would be enough stud thread left after that big of a spacer.

I went with an amazon brand that used to be a vendor on this forum back then if im not mistaken. I cant recall the name at the moment.

With the 25mm on the rear i had to get opened lug nuts because the stock lugs nuts will not work.

[CenCali86]

I can not find 25mm slip on spacers... Even all of the companies I call (Eibach, H&R, Ichiba, etc...) claim they do not go above 20mm with the slip on style. They are all bolt on for 25mm+.

Originally Posted by Alain

I went with an amazon brand that used to be a vendor on this forum back then if im not mistaken. I cant recall the name at the moment.

With the 25mm on the rear i had to get opened lug nuts because the stock lugs nuts will not work.