What is the verdict on the Borla UEL? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Iam-Naimless · 06-27-2014, 02:31 PM

I have another thread on here asking about the Tsudo header because I am trying to choose between the Borla and the Tsudo. I want the lifetime warranty they offer and like their prices. I just don't know which to buy. I know the Borla has been out for a while so I would really like to know what it has proven to be. Is the Borla a good choice? Is it proven to perform or should I look at the tsudo or other affordable options? Any constructive help is appreciated.

husker741 · 06-27-2014, 02:35 PM

Don't buy either. Go with OFH or Revworks if you want catless UEL. You get what you pay for.

ramiram1984 · 06-27-2014, 02:37 PM

Buy both.

ATL BRZ · 06-27-2014, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iam-Naimless

Any constructive help is appreciated.

Dont buy Tsudo, Borla, OFH, or Revworks. Buy the best designed UEL header with the best quality with the best warranty: JDL Auto Design.

Borla may have a lifetime warranty but they have the highest failure rates (warped flanges, rattling flex joints, and weld failures) due to their extremely low quality. I had three warranty replacements due to defects before I gave up on Borla, got a refund and moved on to JDL.

Borla reps don't have a clue about their own products, either. Here's an example of what I mean: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...29#post1624829

husker741 · 06-27-2014, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Dont buy Tsudo, Borla, OFH, or Revworks. Buy the best designed UEL header with the best quality with the best warranty: JDL Auto Design.

Borla may have a lifetime warranty but they have the highest failure rates (warped flanges, rattling flex joints, and weld failures) due to their extremely low quality. Borla reps don't have a clue about their own products, either.

Here's an example of what I mean: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...29#post1624829

Judging by his first two options, I doubt he wants to drop almost a grand on a header.

lastexile1987 · 06-27-2014, 04:19 PM

Well as what's been said before, you get what you pay for.

Save up and get something with good quality that you know will last

HI · 06-27-2014, 04:20 PM

It's honestly hit or miss, but with my borlas I haven't had a single issue.

unsurety · 06-27-2014, 04:37 PM

Why do people crap on the OFH header so much? Can someone explain to me what's so bad about the collector?

Also, a couple of dynos. First one is OFH, OFT E85 tune. Second is JDL header, full exhaust, E85 tune, pic from from JDL's facebook

Jive Turkey · 06-27-2014, 04:45 PM

the revworks is marginally more than the borla and is a better product.

if you're just going to toss the header on and not get a dyno tune, it wont matter what you get honestly though...it'll juts be for noise at that point.

calmtigers · 06-30-2014, 03:43 AM

There's a post by drift-office that is a shoot out between uel headers, while the numbers will change look at the difference in increase (gap between lines) you'll have a good idea of gains etc.

Norcal86 · 06-30-2014, 02:26 PM

Eh, i've had my borla for about 5k miles now. No issues whatsoever. All the welds are solid, flanges thick and straight. Based off of my personal experience, i would totally recommend it.

Flat Black VW · 06-30-2014, 02:37 PM

Heard lots of issues with Borla back when they came out, but as you can see from this thread atleast a few people have had no problems with them.

I have the RevWorks which did not cost much more than the Borla and is a great part.

I havent seen anything about the Tsudo on this car, but I bought a Tsudo for my VW a few years ago and it was the biggest pile of trash I had ever owned. Leaks galore and really shitty craftsmanship, so stay away from them IMO.

Iam-Naimless · 07-01-2014, 02:40 PM

Does the undertray go back on with the borla header?

beaver_scott · 07-01-2014, 02:49 PM

Yes, the skid plate/ undertray goes back on with the borla uel. I have the borla uel and cat back system. I love 'em!

06-27-2014, 02:31 PM	#1
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06-30-2014, 03:43 AM	#10
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Flat Black VW Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: NOVA Posts: 894 Thanks: 227 Thanked 343 Times in 202 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Heard lots of issues with Borla back when they came out, but as you can see from this thread atleast a few people have had no problems with them. I have the RevWorks which did not cost much more than the Borla and is a great part. I havent seen anything about the Tsudo on this car, but I bought a Tsudo for my VW a few years ago and it was the biggest pile of trash I had ever owned. Leaks galore and really shitty craftsmanship, so stay away from them IMO. __________________ Build Thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43355

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Norcal86 Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2013 FRS Location: Norcal Posts: 19 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Eh, i've had my borla for about 5k miles now. No issues whatsoever. All the welds are solid, flanges thick and straight. Based off of my personal experience, i would totally recommend it.

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