Professional detail excectations

[Ryan_west]

Originally Posted by Paul_S

Really ??? I didn't know it was so EASY . Been doing correction since 2005 and learn something new all the time about technique or products. Getting the basics down may be easy but to detail at a professional level takes years and tons of actual on the job experience. Knowing the limits of what can and can not be accomplished in terms of paint correction is only the beginning. The difference in skill between the cheap detailer and the experienced pro is what you are paying for. Now just because someone has a shop IMO doesn't make them a pro. There are many home detailers putting out professional grade work. Are there dishonest detailers out there that will use fillers to cover up defects and grab your money ? There sure are so do your research as you would any time you spend your hard earned cash. The detailer that the OP took his car to should have asked him what were his expectations. If show car results were expected then the detailer could have explained the work involved and cost. Also explaining that maintaining a daily driver at that level is time consuming and expensive. Some times you have to be realistic in what you expect.

did you miss the part were i said teach your self how to paint correct?????

How are you still learning to detail with almost 10 years experience SMH....

[Ryan_west]

Originally Posted by Luke

Certainly a good skill to learn, but probably not a good idea to throw someone out there with a powered buffer and no previous experience.

Doing it by hand offers some forgiveness, but with a buffer it is quite easy to burn through corners if you don't know what you're doing.

You can not paint correct by hand GTFO!

I taught myself how to paint correct in days with a DA polisher. I now us a rotary on most of my work with out causing a single hologram!

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Ryan_west

How are you still learning to detail with almost 10 years experience SMH....

Originally Posted by Ryan_west

You can not paint correct by hand GTFO!

I taught myself how to paint correct in days with a DA polisher. I now us a rotary on most of my work with out causing a single hologram!

Ok

[Turbo95eg6]

Originally Posted by Ryan_west

You can not paint correct by hand GTFO!

I taught myself how to paint correct in days with a DA polisher. I now us a rotary on most of my work with out causing a single hologram!

Can we practice on your Z?

[AFRichZC6]

Originally Posted by Ryan_west

You can not paint correct by hand GTFO!

I taught myself how to paint correct in days with a DA polisher. I now us a rotary on most of my work with out causing a single hologram!

You can definitely get good results polishing by hand - it would just take a lot more time and effort to do an entire car. There are often areas on cars that I detail where a machine polisher will not polish effectively (door handles, narrow and sunk-in pillars), or if I do use a machine polisher, it could level paint where I don't want it to (on an edge or corner).

For a $200 exterior detail from a decent detailer, you can get a good cleaning, clay/decontamination, and wax/sealant, but you should not expect any paint correction that will bring your paint condition up to around the 80%+ range.

[Ryan_west]

Originally Posted by Turbo95eg6

Can we practice on your Z?

Lets do it lol

[Hot Lava]

Originally Posted by Atticus808

where are you at? I can help you out if you live by me.
like others have said, $200 is too cheap.
even prepping for a paint correction takes a long time

I'm in Portland Oregon but thanks for the offer.

[Hot Lava]

Originally Posted by AFRichZC6

You can definitely get good results polishing by hand - it would just take a lot more time and effort to do an entire car. There are often areas on cars that I detail where a machine polisher will not polish effectively (door handles, narrow and sunk-in pillars), or if I do use a machine polisher, it could level paint where I don't want it to (on an edge or corner).

For a $200 exterior detail from a decent detailer, you can get a good cleaning, clay/decontamination, and wax/sealant, but you should not expect any paint correction that will bring your paint condition up to around the 80%+ range.

This term "paint correction" is new to me. Curious as to what it means. Will it remove the orange peel evident in the stock paint? The guys at the shop said it would cost $ 2000 to fix the orange peel. I'm definitely not going there so I will have to live with it.

[Paul_S]

Originally Posted by Ryan_west

did you miss the part were i said teach your self how to paint correct?????

How are you still learning to detail with almost 10 years experience SMH....

The detailing industry has changed at a fast pace especially in the last few years. New products and tools are coming out faster then ever before. If you haven't changed your technique in the last few years you are living in the past. Micro fiber pads , carpro orange peel removal pads ,long stroke da machines , nano coatings and sealants , carbon based trim dressings , clay towels are but a few of the things that have came down the pike in the last few years. These changes allow us to work smarter , not harder.My customers have ranged from mom and pop soccer vans to a third place overall at Pebble Beach. So yes I'm still learning. Paints are changing with the use of water based products , ceramic clears , self healing paint etc.
So can a newb go to Harbor Freight and pick up a da for swirl removal ? yep. Will his investment be limited to $200.00 bucks ? Maybe. Will it look as good as a pro shop puts out ? With enough experience eventually. Does the original poster sound like he wants to invest that much time and money ? Probably not IMO. So keep sweating away with your rotary and have a great day. I'll save my rotary and wool pads for dri-foaming cloth interiors.

[Ryan_west]

you may need something more aggressive like a rotary to fix orange peel. Especially to cut down on time

[Paul_S]

Have you ever used a CarPro orange peel pad ?

http://www.carpro-us.com/daily-deals...l-removal-pad/

I have wet sanded many cars by hand and machine. Sometimes you have too use the proper tool for the job. it's not a one size fits all.

[Ryan_west]

Originally Posted by Paul_S

The detailing industry has changed at a fast pace especially in the last few years. New products and tools are coming out faster then ever before. If you haven't changed your technique in the last few years you are living in the past. Micro fiber pads , carpro orange peel removal pads ,long stroke da machines , nano coatings and sealants , carbon based trim dressings , clay towels are but a few of the things that have came down the pike in the last few years. These changes allow us to work smarter , not harder.My customers have ranged from mom and pop soccer vans to a third place overall at Pebble Beach. So yes I'm still learning. Paints are changing with the use of water based products , ceramic clears , self healing paint etc.
So can a newb go to Harbor Freight and pick up a da for swirl removal ? yep. Will his investment be limited to $200.00 bucks ? Maybe. Will it look as good as a pro shop puts out ? With enough experience eventually. Does the original poster sound like he wants to invest that much time and money ? Probably not IMO. So keep sweating away with your rotary and have a great day. I'll save my rotary and wool pads for dri-foaming cloth interiors.

My techniques have not changed and im still producing superior results.

I just think its so funny some of these detailers charge $400 for 8 hours of work. I dont even let mechanics touch my motor, what makes you think im going to pay someone $400 to screw up my paint.

[Paul_S]

Originally Posted by Ryan_west

you may need something more aggressive like a rotary to fix orange peel. Especially to cut down on time

With a 21mm stroke Rupes bigfoot and trizact papers I have no need to drag out my Makita 9227.

[Ryan_west]

Originally Posted by Paul_S

Have you ever used a CarPro orange peel pad ?

http://www.carpro-us.com/daily-deals...l-removal-pad/

I have wet sanded many cars by hand and machine. Sometimes you have too use the proper tool for the job. it's not a one size fits all.

Id never recommend a Novice Detailer to use this product ever!