Engine failure - 38,000 miles

[Mr.Zoolittle]

Good for you. Do you still have the MR2? I miss mine fun, fast and reliable. I should have bought the Lotus or S2000 instead of this car.

[Davey]

Originally Posted by Monogram

Your assumption is incorrect.

Keep fighting that fight guy. Sooner or later you'll convince everyone this engine is indestructible.

[Mr 286]

Originally Posted by Mr.Zoolittle

Good for you. Do you still have the MR2? I miss mine fun, fast and reliable. I should have bought the Lotus or S2000 instead of this car.

Yeah, I still have my MR2. I still need to finish gathering the parts to upgrade to a larger turbo setup. My goal is around 400 whp. I'll have fun with it in that configuration for a while, then probably sell it and either start an NSX project, or consider making a poor financial decision and get an M3 or GT-R as my next sports car.


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[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by Mr 286

Yeah, I still have my MR2. I still need to finish gathering the parts to upgrade to a larger turbo setup. My goal is around 400 whp. I'll have fun with it in that configuration for a while, then probably sell it and either start an NSX project, or consider making a poor financial decision and get an M3 or GT-R as my next sports car.


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Or a Ft1 so we can all be jealous.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Mr 286

My plan is to keep observing the development and issues with the 86 platform. It would make more sense for me to pick one up purely as a track/weekend project car than a daily. My MR2 is aging and I want to avoid tracking it. On the other hand, I'm also interested in my next sports car being in a higher class than the 86. It's a little too entry level for me to be put up with the kind of problems I had with this one.

Oh please.. I know you're on your way out with a bad experience.. But don't
Go slamming the 86 with entry level comments and such. You can buy a more expensive sport car and still have problems and not be as "good" as the 86.
You are confusing entry level with minimalistic. A true no nonsense drivers car
That provides feedback and is designed for the real world. I've had plenty of pricey sports cars that aren't as good as the 86.
You had a bad one.. No need to slam the car based on your one experience.

[Mr 286]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

Oh please.. I know you're on your way out with a bad experience.. But don't

Go slamming the 86 with entry level comments and such. You can buy a more expensive sport car and still have problems and not be as "good" as the 86.

You are confusing entry level with minimalistic. A true no nonsense drivers car

That provides feedback and is designed for the real world. I've had plenty of pricey sports cars that aren't as good as the 86.

You had a bad one.. No need to slam the car based on your one experience.

Sorry Mikem, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't mean it as a rag on the car, but it is the truth. Other than the MX-5, what other cars can truly be considered real sports cars that are more entry level than this one? You will be paying more for almost any other car new that can be properly considered a sports car. That's why we were all so excited about this platform. It was the return of the low cost, entry level sports car that nobody else was making at the time.

I think of RX-8, S2000, Lotus, Porsche etc when I think of sports cars in general. Everything else that can be considered an entry level sports car besides the FR-S is actually either a suped up economy car or a GT car.


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[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Mr 286

Sorry Mikem, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't mean it as a rag on the car, but it is the truth. Other than the MX-5, what other cars can truly be considered real sports cars that are more entry level than this one? You will be paying more for almost any other car new that can be properly considered a sports car. That's why we were all so excited about this platform. It was the return of the low cost, entry level sports car that nobody else was making at the time.

I think of RX-8, S2000, Lotus, Porsche etc when I think of sports cars in general. Everything else that can be considered an entry level sports car besides the FR-S is actually either a suped up economy car or a GT car.

You can call it entry level if that makes you feel better about your car. Price wise that's certainly true. It certainly doesn't feel entry level in it abilities, visceral feedback, sharpness and those other attributes you either can't find or are cost prohibitive.

[Mr 286]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

You can call it entry level if that makes you feel better about your car. Price wise that's certainly true. It certainly doesn't feel entry level in it abilities, visceral feedback, sharpness and those other attributes you either can't find or are cost prohibitive.

The only thing I feel better about is dumping the lemon, putting all the back and forth with the service dept behind me, and cruising to work in a new car. So I chose not to get another 86 because I have legitimate concerns about reliability? Oh well, it's my decision. I wish you all the best of luck with this car because I really did enjoy the car's handling balance, and I think it will make a better track toy for me than a daily driver if I decide it's worthy of another purchase. It will be a good thing for me if the engine proves in the long run to be generally more reliable than my experience as well as several others I have seen. Some people on this forum want to defend this car like it's their own child and I don't get it. It's just a car lol

I call it entry level because it is entry level based on price and based on performance. Don't get me wrong, the car is amazing and delivers an extremely satisfying handling balance. However, pound for pound as a sports car, it can't be anything but entry level compared to the likes of Cayman, Lotus, NSX, Boxster, 911, and many others. They simply destroy this car and not just on paper. I say that from experience having driven 3 of the cars I listed on the track. Sorry bro, you bought an entry level sports car. Nothing to feel bad about. It's an awesome car.


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[Mr 286]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Or a Ft1 so we can all be jealous.

Eh, if that car actually comes to fruition I probably won't be able to get one right away. I'm sure it will cost at least as much as the inflated Vegas price of a new GT-R. There are some used GT-R's starting to pop up around $55k-$65k that have me seriously considering though. That's more in the range I'd be willing to make an unwise purchase on. But again, this is after I find the time between work and grad school to finish my MR2 finally.


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[andrew20195]

Originally Posted by Mr 286

There are some used GT-R's starting to pop up around $55k-$65k that have me seriously considering though. That's more in the range I'd be willing to make an unwise purchase on.

:cough: Used 996 Turbo for under $40k. Best unwise decision, IMO.

[Mikem53]

Well I feel for you about your bad experience. It happens and im sure it sucks.
But Thats the exception and not the rule. There are only a few cases of engine issues for
unmodified cars. Its echoed on here multiple times for the same car. For every issue you read about there are 5000 that have none.. its forum life. Bad news makes news. People dont post their car is fine with no issues. I doubt toyota would put its reputation at stake for this car.
As for the entry level thing.. I know there are cars that handle better at the limits and are faster. I know this is no wonder car that will compete at those levels.
But in the real world of driving, on the streets, commuting. Its no entry car !
Not in looks, performance or feel.
This car is so refreshing in that its built for the real world. Not for the limits that cant be explored in daily use. Those other cars include lots of things you dont need to experience
performance driving. Doesnt really make them better or this one entry level.

Originally Posted by Mr 286

The only thing I feel better about is dumping the lemon, putting all the back and forth with the service dept behind me, and cruising to work in a new car. So I chose not to get another 86 because I have legitimate concerns about reliability? Oh well, it's my decision. I wish you all the best of luck with this car because I really did enjoy the car's handling balance, and I think it will make a better track toy for me than a daily driver if I decide it's worthy of another purchase. It will be a good thing for me if the engine proves in the long run to be generally more reliable than my experience as well as several others I have seen. Some people on this forum want to defend this car like it's their own child and I don't get it. It's just a car lol

I call it entry level because it is entry level based on price and based on performance. Don't get me wrong, the car is amazing and delivers an extremely satisfying handling balance. However, pound for pound as a sports car, it can't be anything but entry level compared to the likes of Cayman, Lotus, NSX, Boxster, 911, and many others. They simply destroy this car and not just on paper. I say that from experience having driven 3 of the cars I listed on the track. Sorry bro, you bought an entry level sports car. Nothing to feel bad about. It's an awesome car.


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[Mr 286]

Originally Posted by andrew20195

:cough: Used 996 Turbo for under $40k. Best unwise decision, IMO.

Oh, I have thought of that too. Knew a guy who I think owned a tint shop was selling his 996 for $40k with some kind of ECU modification or turbo modification. I don't remember which. It was silver. Pretty clean. Oh well, it's been long since sold. I would love to pick up a 996 or 997 at some point though.


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[Mr 286]

Originally Posted by Mikem53

...But in the real world of driving, on the streets, commuting. Its no entry car !

Not in looks, performance or feel.

Now, I will agree with you on there. It's not entry level in that respect. Certainly not the first car I'd give a teenager who's into motorsports that's for sure.


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[driftu]

Had an 06 GTO new and it was in for service once a month for some form of warranty repair (squeaks, rattles, recalls, etc), but never anything major as in this case. Bought my Toyobaru 3/13 and has just under 14k. I get all sorts of noises and I've never taken it in once and I'm certain there are many TSB's that qualify. At least that is what Mitchell tells me. I figure if the motor is going to go its going to go. Until then I'll keep pushing her to the limit as she seems to enjoy the abuse when taken out for chaos in the streets. Curious to see what new noises show up or disappear after the OFT install tomorrow Sorry to hear about all of the problems gents...fingers crossed!