Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[Target70]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I wonder if the station that was labeling ethanol free was actually ethanol free. If not, I hope you weren't paying extra at that station. In any case, you guys are lucky to be able to get 93 of any kind. I think both us peeps in Cali and in AUS get 91 as premium and it stinks.

The last update to that link you posted was 2011, before the mandate took effect. I can't find any proof, but I believe it is illegal to sale ethanol free gas in GA. *Insert rant about abusive athority here* It didn't cost extra, The station itself only sold e-free gas.

If we could find suppliers, you could always buy 50 gallon drums of 93, 94, e85 etc. and store them at your house.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Target70

The last update to that link you posted was 2011, before the mandate took effect. I can't find any proof, but I believe it is illegal to sale ethanol free gas in GA. *Insert rant about abusive athority here* It didn't cost extra, The station itself just sold e-free gas.

Hmmm... let's see what the law is in GA. http://www.e0pc.com/GA.php

"Georgia Is Not A Mandatory E10 State. Georgia requires a label on the pump if the gasoline contains more than 1.5% ethanol."

I wouldn't be surprised if there were fewer stations GA anyhow.

In any case, I will say this much, living in Greater Los Angeles area the air has gotten significantly cleaner since the late '70's when it was so thick, you couldn't see 15 miles. Regulations here seem to be working. As much as I hate our crappy gas, I can deal with not getting cancer for just breathing. I pity those peeps growing up in places like Shanghai and Delhi where the air is so thick you could spread it on pancakes.

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Hmmm... let's see what the law is in GA. http://www.e0pc.com/GA.php

"Georgia Is Not A Mandatory E10 State. Georgia requires a label on the pump if the gasoline contains more than 1.5% ethanol."

I wouldn't be surprised if there were fewer stations GA anyhow.

In any case, I will say this much, living in Greater Los Angeles area the air has gotten significantly cleaner since the late '70's when it was so thick, you couldn't see 15 miles. Regulations here seem to be working. As much as I hate our crappy gas, I can deal with not getting cancer for just breathing. I pity those peeps growing up in places like Shanghai and Delhi where the air is so thick you could spread it on pancakes.

True dat. When I lived in Rancho Cucamonga growing up I remember seeing blankets of grey rolling in from the smog. Nasty stuff.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Target70

If we could find suppliers, you could always buy 50 gallon drums of 93, 94, e85 etc. and store them at your house.

You mean like this

http://torcoracefuel.net/pro-fuels.html

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Hmmm... let's see what the law is in GA. http://www.e0pc.com/GA.php

"Georgia Is Not A Mandatory E10 State. Georgia requires a label on the pump if the gasoline contains more than 1.5% ethanol."

I wouldn't be surprised if there were fewer stations GA anyhow.

In any case, I will say this much, living in Greater Los Angeles area the air has gotten significantly cleaner since the late '70's when it was so thick, you couldn't see 15 miles. Regulations here seem to be working. As much as I hate our crappy gas, I can deal with not getting cancer for just breathing. I pity those peeps growing up in places like Shanghai and Delhi where the air is so thick you could spread it on pancakes.

93 vs 91 has nothing to do with how clean the air will become. Cats make that impact. the information I have read points to the higher concentration of luxury vehicles that require higher octane fuel. Since fuel stock can only be turned into a certain percentage of each octane fuel, they cut the 93 down to increase the supply of the "premium" fuel.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Luckrider

93 vs 91 has nothing to do with how clean the air will become. Cats make that impact. the information I have read points to the higher concentration of luxury vehicles that require higher octane fuel. Since fuel stock can only be turned into a certain percentage of each octane fuel, they cut the 93 down to increase the supply of the "premium" fuel.

Wasn't speaking of mandates in terms of octane (knock resistance), but in terms of fuel formulation & fuel additives that improve economy. Improved fuel economy reduces the amount of fuel burned and thus the amount of Hydrocarbons in the air. The EPA, and states mandate specific fuel additives to help meet economy targets.

In California MTBE was the additive of choice until toxic amounts of MTBE compounds were found in groundwater in New York, Maryland and California. Settlements in the hundreds of millions were reached and the additive phased out. Shortly afterwards Ethanol was introduced as a replacement. Increased fuel economy is the most important control point in reducing pollution, and yes catalytic converters also help significantly.

[Target70]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Hmmm... let's see what the law is in GA. http://www.e0pc.com/GA.php

"Georgia Is Not A Mandatory E10 State. Georgia requires a label on the pump if the gasoline contains more than 1.5% ethanol."

I wouldn't be surprised if there were fewer stations GA anyhow.

In any case, I will say this much, living in Greater Los Angeles area the air has gotten significantly cleaner since the late '70's when it was so thick, you couldn't see 15 miles. Regulations here seem to be working. As much as I hate our crappy gas, I can deal with not getting cancer for just breathing. I pity those peeps growing up in places like Shanghai and Delhi where the air is so thick you could spread it on pancakes.

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

You mean like this

http://torcoracefuel.net/pro-fuels.html

It may not be manditory, but it's still manditory, if you consider that there are no other options.

I can't say that cars don't have an impact, but I thought the smog was also due to factories/plants which lead to the scrubbers on smoke stacks. I think we used leaded fuels into the 70's too. We make progress in lots of ways, but I think the octane cap you guys have to deal with is BS.

too bad torco covers all the southern states except AL and GA.. guess I'll have to make a run for the border.

[Boofneenee]

can someone explain why this kit does not need a boost release/blow off valve of some sort? Also, what is this kit + batteries going for? I saw $1500 on the front page and perhaps $200 for batteries.

thanks

[fenton]

Can someone confirm for me if the grey o2 sensor goes to the front o2 bung and the black one goes to the back?

I think they only fit one way but I'm just trying to rule some things out after a p219a, 119f and 119e code after the OFH install a week or so ago.

Currently stock tune for a dealer visit tomorrow and man the car feels slooooo. Only problem is my long term fuel is at +12 after flashing stock which seems way too high.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

can someone explain why this kit does not need a boost release/blow off valve of some sort? Also, what is this kit + batteries going for? I saw $1500 on the front page and perhaps $200 for batteries.

thanks

MRSP is 1650 shipped to us or can. batteries are 130 if I'm not mistaken.

[Target70]

Originally Posted by Boofneenee

can someone explain why this kit does not need a boost release/blow off valve of some sort? Also, what is this kit + batteries going for? I saw $1500 on the front page and perhaps $200 for batteries.

thanks

The motor has a brake on it to slow it down, instead of blowing off the excess pressure when lifiting off throttle, the esc just quickly slows down and stops making the pressure.

The price, I don't know. It is listed as $1550 for the first batch.. I am waiting on the 3rd batch (I think), so I don't know if he upped the price to the $1625 or not. I also don't know the shipping cost. Battery prices depend on the batteries or setup you want. I can't access the phantom site at work to view the batteries, but you can go with the single dump kit with small starter battery(3 batts), 1.5 dump kit with small starter battery(5 batts) + (mounting kit from Rob is extra, something like $200?) 2.0 dump(4 large dump pack batteries + requires you to relocate stock or alternative starter battery)

[07jazzrs5gt86]

My batteries is finally shipping should be getting it Wednesday. I paid about $200 including tax and shipping for the 1.5 setup. Once i get it I'll check all to make sure its good and use my battery tender to condition it.

Rob where's my 1.5 kit ;p

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by 07jazzrs5gt86

My batteries is finally shipping should be getting it Wednesday. I paid about $200 including tax and shipping for the 1.5 setup. Once i get it I'll check all to make sure its good and use my battery tender to condition it.

Rob where's my 1.5 kit ;p

Make sure your battery tender can handle these types of batteries. Some can ruin it .

[Gums]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I think both us peeps in Cali and in AUS get 91 as premium and it stinks.

In Aus we have 98ron (no ethanol) readily available. In theory it's equal to US 93.5 octane but it's not!

We also have 100ron with 10% ethanol which reduces the knock up high (that the 98 gets)

Have also noticed the crickets since running the 100ron, might have to suss out that Lucas product.

If you haven't seen it already check out this excellent post by steve99.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61820