GReddy Turbo kit for BRZ / FR-S

[mrk1]

Originally Posted by 1086

Honestly in this situation SBD is not the culprit. It comes down to Zage in China and Greddy/Trust co. Ltd in Japan.

SBD is purely a distributor/vendor offering a competitive kit to the U.S. market. There is no malevolent (perhaps too strong a word) trickery going on from their end. I am sure SBD anticipated this scenario before distributing the kit to the U.S. market, which makes it seem more fishy that GReddy would have to take a stab at them publicly - like some desperate final stand to have people buy their kit because interest is f*****g them daaaaaily. However, it makes perfect sense that GReddy would say anything when you look at the massive amount of debt hole they are in - again, desperate much.

Pure speculation can lead to extreme and/or exaggerated conclusions ^^^ and it is unfair to point any fingers and make SBD the culprit. It would be nice to hear from each parent company on the matter, if that can even happen, perhaps a statement? Nonetheless, whether Zage's kit is a copy or it is not -at least they are not marking up the shit out of their kit price like GReedy is.

SPD is selling a Zage WITH THERE NAME ON IT, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE AS WELL.

Sure SPD/Zage can sell at a lower price, knockoffs with no R&D have much larger margins.

Ultimately its down to the customers to stop this poor business behavior. If you stop buying fakes they will stop making them. And companies like SPD will fail. However to many people now just shop by price, with complete disregard over who actually did the leg work on the design or what is in the box.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by mrk1

Ultimately its down to the customers to stop this poor business behavior.

The admins/mods on this site plays a part as well.
It isn't the first time they let stuff like this slide.

[mrk1]

Originally Posted by s2d4

The admins/mods on this site plays a part as well.
It isn't the first time they let stuff like this slide.

Very true, not promoting it would go a long way towards people not buying it.

[diss7]

Make it your signature. Lols will ensue.

And by lols, I mean bans.

[xwd]

Originally Posted by Boss Paco

I liked my AFE knocked off GReddy Momentum intake. Even had AFE coupler in the box too. Was it a lesser product? Nope.

It's great that this is aired out. It's no secret who got my money nor that I am very happy with my purchase. In today's global economy, how much do you think is actually produced by the actual company and sold under their name?

That said, if someone stole my product and sold it for less, I'd kick their ass and sue them. If they were bigger than me, then I'd just sue.

aFE contracted with Greddy USA to make that product for them and badge it as Greddy, it's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION. Meaning aFE was still getting paid for the intakes.

In this situation, ZAGE just copied the design because that's what they do, and then SPD resells the same copied design. It's very similar to ROTA wheels, they copy the design of popular wheels and sell them for cheaper.

This stuff happens all the time in lots of different industries, car parts are no different. If everyone was in the US, it wouldn't happen. Greddy could license their design for ZAGE to build, but Greddy would still be getting paid from it. In this case they get nothing for their R&D work.

The reality is SPD insinuated Greddy was sourcing their parts/kit from ZAGE in a different thread, and it is a completely untrue. Instead of just owning up to it, Chris has chosen to defend ZAGE and SPD by just ignoring that and spouting off something about ZAGE being a big turbo parts manufacturer. Yeah they manufacture stuff they copied from people who do real design work.

SPD pays the site, Greddy doesn't, so I'm guessing this will get closed and Greddy will get banned which is the norm for this site. People have asked me about the SPD kit and I always steer them elsewhere.

[mrk1]

I would really hope this doesn't get deleted. Regardless of vendor status or whatever its still good information for consumers and the community.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by s2d4

The admins/mods on this site plays a part as well.
It isn't the first time they let stuff like this slide.

Wow~ there's blow below the belt.

I'm sorry, maybe I miss or misread something here. Making sure I'm reading this correctly, are you blaming admin & mods for this too?

Cuz this is outside of forum business. Forum can ban (& have banned) vendors who have/had horrible customer service &/or screwing members of sending late or etc.

If you wanna say "But they're selling knockoff parts & you're allowing that?" Then I'll rely w "If you know it's knockoff parts & go against your moral, don't buy it." Simple as that.

Looks, if you wanna go technical, post by GReddy is technically advertising of their product & they need to become vendor before posting this... but is this thread lock/deleted? I can tell you, if it did later on, it wasn't from me. I don't like the idea company copy other company's design/idea. As a member, I fully support GReddy.... but that doesn't mean I can use my mod power to banning company.

so until SBD or other brands screwing members by not shipping their products, or horrible customer service... Admin & mods can't step into it.

Did I make it clear? Or is this still sound BS to you?

[spdbydesign]

Originally Posted by protpibe

Even the SBD oil cooler looks like the GReddy lol. I love the evasion around the original accusation. Im not sure why that's still happening... The jig is up.. . GReddy is here calling you out

Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

It's the Kate Cool Oil Cooler, not SBD, just wanted to clarify.

Made in Taiwan.

We simply purchase and import, for use with our turbo kits.

Completely separate business than Zage, zero relationship.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GT-86-14-ROW...d74b99&vxp=mtr

[spdbydesign]

Originally Posted by 1086

Honestly in this situation SBD is not the culprit. It comes down to Zage in China and Greddy/Trust co. Ltd in Japan.

SBD is purely a distributor/vendor offering a competitive kit to the U.S. market. There is no malevolent (perhaps too strong a word) trickery going on from their end. I am sure SBD anticipated this scenario before distributing the kit to the U.S. market, which makes it seem more fishy that GReddy would have to take a stab at them publicly - like some desperate final stand to have people buy their kit because interest is f*****g them daaaaaily. However, it makes perfect sense that GReddy would say anything when you look at the massive amount of debt hole they are in - again, desperate much.

Pure speculation can lead to extreme and/or exaggerated conclusions ^^^ and it is unfair to point any fingers and make SBD the culprit. It would be nice to hear from each parent company on the matter, if that can even happen, perhaps a statement? Nonetheless, whether Zage's kit is a copy or it is not -at least they are not marking up the shit out of their kit price like GReedy is.

Guys,

I want to very clearly insure these kits are not made in China.

Zage is a Taiwanese company, and there is a HUGE difference in quality of materials and workmanship in the products produced.

Calling Zage a Chinese Company, would be like calling SBD an Italian company....because it's owners have the same complexion of skin.

They are two totally separate countries, and should not be used interchangeably.

Just recently have formal talks between the two countries begun:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...a45_story.html

[spdbydesign]

For those that curious about the manufacturing prowess of the two countries, this is a good article:

http://www.sourcingoverseas.com/taiwan_vs_china/

[spdbydesign]

Originally Posted by JerryMichaels7

holy shit jackass, shut up already. They are all knock off stop trying to defend it..

Until you've physically spent time in both countries, invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in each....can you come here and argue what I'm telling you based on personal experience.

We moved out of China last year completely, for our other platforms, and I won't be stepping foot back in for many years to come.

Taiwan, on the other hand, is state of the art and it's factories and quality are extremely good, for the most part.

[JerryMichaels7]

It does not matter where it is made a knockoff is a knockoff

[protpibe]

I don't think the main subject of the thread is quality of the knockoff.

GReddy didn't make this post because they were concerned your clone was subpar lol

[mrk1]

Taiwan vs China is not the issue here SPD, DROP THE SALES PITCH. The issue is intellectual property. A knock off is a knock off regardless of country of origin.

In this context calling something a Chinese part is just slang for over seas knock off, not a direct comment on the country of origin. Thats not a stretch and you know it.