Delicious Tuning - Q&A EcuTeK ProECU Tuning and Maps

[evo4g63]

Originally Posted by sales@delicioustuning.com

Did I mention we're working on something very special of our own?

Sneak Peak:



@JDLAutoDesign

I saw this being setup

[DeliciousTuning]

Hey Guys,

Here are some graphs displaying the differences between the Innovate CARB tune, Intercooled on 91, vs the same setup on our 8.58 tunes. First graph is a stock 86, second is on the Innovate kit.

Maha Dyno Chart Graphs (How To Analyze)
- Blue Lines - Wheel Horsepower (Real world horsepower)
- Red Lines - Horsepower Normalized (Similar to Dyno Jet)
- Orange Lines - Torque Normalized (Similar to Dyno Jet)
- Green Lines - Drag (Drivetrain power loss)
- Solid Lines - Current Tune we offer
- Dotted Lines - Tune for comparion purposes






Sincerely,


Delicious Tuning

[DeliciousTuning]

To give a little more info on the dyno charts above. Please remember all dynos are different so a lot of what you look at depends on how you look at the curve. While the dyno being used is importnet we also have a couple other points to bring up with respect to the tune and dyno charts.

We would like to point out our dyno pull started at 1500 RPM, and I am pretty sure you will not find another dyno chart anywhere with the Innovate tune starting at 1500 RPM's. Being this low of an RPM, will have a large impact on the torque as you can see in the dyno chart. We do know that the automatic guys drive their vehicles in this range a LOT and we wanted to test this area to show it is possible to make more torque over stock even at 1500 RPM with this kit. While we also wanted to show it is smooth even if you were in 6th gear and needed to floor it, so you would feel a pull like a stock vehicle.

Now also note different dyno's will measure differently and that is why it is important to show a before after results on the same dyno along with a stock baseline comparison. The way the loads are ramped up on each particular dyno will have a massive affect on the torque values shown and how they are measured. Because of this it makes it hard to duplicate the torque on a Maha dyno to say a Dynojet for instance, which are two totally different styles of dynos.

The CARB tune that Innovate Motorsports offers has not changed since it was released and can not be changed because it is the CARB approved tune. So it will be like that forever, unless retested with the new tune.

Now as far as what is shown, the dotted line (- - -) is the CARB tune which is labeled 8.1 for our own records. The solid line (____) is our new 8.58 tune we currently offer. As you can see in the dyno charts there is a fair amount of improvement across the board, especially on the top end. And to go along with the tune is the MPG increase over the CARB tune. We have spent a fair amount of time dialing in the fueling so we can obtain a much better fuel economy over the CARB tune. So far from the feedback we have received if you are cruising with the cruise control active at 65 mph most of our customer are getting near or at stock MPG. Now when you get on it, that is a different story. LOL

Hope this answers some questions.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[onzippy]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

We do know that the automatic guys drive their vehicles in this range a LOT and we wanted to test this area to show it is possible to make more torque over stock even at 1500 RPM with this kit.

Ain't that the truth. Not everyone may appreciate the significance of the effort to dial it in that low in the rev range but as said, the automatic love to live way down there. Kudos

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by onzippy

Ain't that the truth. Not everyone may appreciate the significance of the effort to dial it in that low in the rev range but as said, the automatic love to live way down there. Kudos

Here is a little more info to soak in. We have a back to back test of the 75mm pulley versus a 70mm pulley and the exact same Stage 2 8.58 tune we offer. No additional tuning required.



Green - Baseline Stock Vehicle, after about 3 pulls to get the ECU to learn to add power.
Blue - 75mm pulley with the 8.58 tune
Red - 70mm pulley with the same 8.58 tune

As you can see there is a power improvement across the entire power band, and we can see as much gains as much as 15 hp and 13 ft/lbs of torque. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade with no other upgrades needed. Porbably the cheapest upgrade you can do to make 15 horsepower.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[Ryan86]

Hey Bill, goes to show just how good your tune is dialed in, as I'm showing almost identical gains remotely.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

Hey Bill, goes to show just how good your tune is dialed in, as I'm showing almost identical gains remotely.

In South Africa, where the gas is nearly worse than California gas, no less

[onzippy]

Originally Posted by protpibe

I've had the tune for a little while now. Driveability is pretty good. There were some initial hiccups like high idle when decelerating in gear, and the odd rough spot when sharply getting on the throttle. Those issues are about 95% solved right now and I would say I'm pleased overall. Driving around town is very near OEM in that there isn't a giant power surge as soon as your RPM's get into spool range, and the idle is also rock solid.

I would STRONGLY recommend ECU controlled boost to anyone that is running a Turbo setup. Being able to swap between maps and boost levels with the cruise control stalk is awesome.

I'm running an AVO turbo at 7psi and 10psi.

protpibe Have you received any additional tune updates between then and now and has the 95% gone to 100% yet?

[protpibe]

Originally Posted by onzippy

protpibe Have you received any additional tune updates between then and now and has the 95% gone to 100% yet?

Yeah I think I've had an update since then. I'm pretty sure I'm in revision C or D of my original map.

My ONLY criticism is that it idles every so slightly high if I'm coasting with the clutch in and the car is in gear. The only time I notice it is when I'm pulling up to my garage and about to turn in. The only reason I notice it is because I'm extremely picky. It idles up to like 1,100 instead of 850 or whatever idle is. That's seriously my only complaint and it's as minor as you can get.

I can't even remember if it did that before the car was boosted on the OEM ECU. I only drove the car for 2 weeks in the fall before I stored it and added a turbo.

[onzippy]

Originally Posted by protpibe

Yeah I think I've had an update since then. I'm pretty sure I'm in revision C or D of my original map.

My ONLY criticism is that it idles every so slightly high if I'm coasting with the clutch in and the car is in gear. The only time I notice it is when I'm pulling up to my garage and about to turn in. The only reason I notice it is because I'm extremely picky. It idles up to like 1,100 instead of 850 or whatever idle is. That's seriously my only complaint and it's as minor as you can get.

I can't even remember if it did that before the car was boosted on the OEM ECU. I only drove the car for 2 weeks in the fall before I stored it and added a turbo.

Well that's no so bad all. I think it's something in the tune and I noticed it also. With an auto it's exacerbated by the fact you have no clutch to push in so it tugs a bit more in drive. I think hot idle is supposed to be around 750 with all acc. off.

Thanks for the updated. Sounds positive.

[GremlinGSP]

Protpibe I'm pretty sure its the tune. I'm running AVO and the speed density as well and mine does the same thing. When I was NA the car dropped to idle really fast. Like you said its super minor. I think I'm on ver. 12.48 if I'm understanding the file naming correctly.

For everything else I'm really happy with. Its roasting the crap out of my stock clutch so I need to take care of that soon lol. Boost control works wonderfully I've got mine mounted on the driver side above the fuel rail, on that cover. I'm planning on fabbing a bracket right now its help tight by zip tie.

[protpibe]

Originally Posted by GremlinGSP

Protpibe I'm pretty sure its the tune. I'm running AVO and the speed density as well and mine does the same thing. When I was NA the car dropped to idle really fast. Like you said its super minor. I think I'm on ver. 12.48 if I'm understanding the file naming correctly.

For everything else I'm really happy with. Its roasting the crap out of my stock clutch so I need to take care of that soon lol. Boost control works wonderfully I've got mine mounted on the driver side above the fuel rail, on that cover. I'm planning on fabbing a bracket right now its help tight by zip tie.

Yeah, super minor but I still notice it. Literally the only reason why I wouldn't rate it 100%, but maybe I'm just being overly picky haha.

I used a rivnut to mount mine to the bracket from the grimmspeed engine cover here:



You can't see it at all with the cover in place.



EDIT: I should also mention my clutch was cooking pretty good too. Exedy Stage 1 on the way!

[Calum]

Originally Posted by protpibe

Yeah, super minor but I still notice it. Literally the only reason why I wouldn't rate it 100%, but maybe I'm just being overly picky haha.

I used a rivnut to mount mine to the bracket from the grimmspeed engine cover here:



You can't see it at all with the cover in place.



EDIT: I should also mention my clutch was cooking pretty good too. Exedy Stage 1 on the way!

Factory tunes idle a little higher when coasting to aid in clutch engagement. Bill tends toward a very factory feeling tune so I'm pretty sure he has kept that feature in the tune on purpose.

Honestly there's times I like it and others where I want to be more of a control freak. But I find Bill's throttle mapping doesn't make for quick enough throttle blips so I would probably end up messing up anyway.



Bill, is there anyway we could have a map with more aggressive throttle mapping and little thing like the high idle turned off? I understand that its a point of pride to have all of your maps feel like an OEM map, but to be completely honest I sometimes miss the throttle response from my old Visconti tune. when I'm out having fun it made the car work with me a lot better.

[protpibe]

Avo makes a throttle input controller to speed it up if you want. It's adjustable

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