Toyota rules out GT 86 hybrid due to projected lack of demand

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

That thing looks extremely S2000-with-a-hard-top-ish.

Is this the MR2 successor? Mid-engine?

No, its a front engine two seater. Its a very early concept. A production version could end up looking a little different.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

No, its a front engine two seater. Its a very early concept. A production version could end up looking a little different.

I wonder if it has anything to do with this car: http://www.complex.com/rides/2014/02...ta-mr2-concept or if they are completely separate?

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I wonder if it has anything to do with this car :http://www.complex.com/rides/2014/02...ta-mr2-concept or if they are completely separate?

I don't think that is an official Toyota concept. Its completely separate.

From what I understand something similar to the hybrid drivetrain in the MR-2 concepts could end up in a much more expensive future Toyota sports cars. Like a hybrid version of FT-1 and or the BMW and Toyota joint project car. Toyota and BMW are also rumored to be working on a second joint mid engine car to take on the 911. But its just rumors at this point, so take it with a gain of salt.



http://www.carscoops.com/2011/11/toy...ts-hybrid.html



http://www.carscoops.com/2010/01/toy...ts-hybrid.html

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Levi

Guys, don't really don't expect any more powerful GT86/BRZ. Maybe some special "track editions" with rollcage, weight loss and bolt-ons (brakes, suspension, etc...) but nothing more. Don't know if Toyota broke-even, made profit or made loss, but it is unlikely for Toyota to build anything new on the GT86. Toyota has a new partner, BMW, which like Toyota and Honda, for a long time didn't have any true sports car. The co-developped platform will underpin all Toyota/Lexus and BMW sports cars, with exception of the Lexus LFA II.

That could very well be.

The new platform could be used for a new Z4, rumored Z7, and ect. On Toyota's side, a new 86, FT-1 (Supra), and ect.

According to CAR Magazine, the two companies are developing a flexible platform that can underpin everything from a small two-seat roadster to a larger sports car.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11309206...ries-and-gt-86

[smbrm]

I think it is only a matter of time before fuel efficiency and carbon legislation will drive all vehicles to hybridization. It may not be for the Gt86/FRS/BRZ, but perhaps it's successor.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Levi

Guys, don't really don't expect any more powerful GT86/BRZ. Maybe some special "track editions" with rollcage, weight loss and bolt-ons (brakes, suspension, etc...) but nothing more. Don't know if Toyota broke-even, made profit or made loss, but it is unlikely for Toyota to build anything new on the GT86. Toyota has a new partner, BMW, which like Toyota and Honda, for a long time didn't have any true sports car. The co-developped platform will underpin all Toyota/Lexus and BMW sports cars, with exception of the Lexus LFA II.

yup, switching to a modular platform makes tons of sense. VW group has done this. Mercedes is also going to a modular platform with the next SLK, SL, and ect. it would save both time and money when developing a new sports car.

[gymratter]

Did you know? Akio Toyoda is not only President of the Toyota Motor Corporation: under the name of Morizo, the sympathetic corporate boss (right in the picture) as a racing driver is active.

https://www.facebook.com/ToyotaDeuts...type=1&theater

[FRSupra]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Uh, no. Not at all. Repeating this over and over won't make it any more true. The 370z is heavy because its built on the same platform as Nissan's luxury sedans. It is meant to be a bigger, compromised, semi-luxurious GT sort of car, not a pure sports car. Just because no lightweight, affordable RWD coupes/roadsters with power exist right now doesn't mean that they can't. I repeat, again, Silvia, RX7, S2000.

I never said they couldn't.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

I never said they couldn't.

You were saying that giving the FR-S more power would suddenly make it heavy like a 370Z, as if any car with power would have to be, which isn't true at all. Weight gains from a 2.5L and/or a turbo or supercharger would be minimal and not affect the chassis. Some people don't want the bigger, bulkier platform and v6. They want what they already have but faster.

[B3yondL]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

They want what they already have but faster.

*psst* everyone who owns the car wants that. Anybody who says they don't want another 50-70hp without compromising performance/lightweight is lying.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by B3yondL

*psst* everyone who owns the car wants that. Anybody who says they don't want another 50-70hp without compromising performance/lightweight is lying.

I know. We have a lot of liars here. haha

[FRSupra]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I know. We have a lot of liars here. haha

Ok? Let me explain this to you. When I am pushing the car hard through the mountain roads, which twist, turn and require a lot of shifting and power adapting, a lot of times I found myself in 4th gear around 65/70mph. At this point I am pretty much maxed out to point where I could not literally use any more power without crashing. The car just could not take the corners any faster. So what would more hp do for me here? Allow me to get 1000 ft down the road faster? So I could get to that 4th gear what, a mere .5 sec faster? It just doesn't make sense for me. I believe I'm using the car (track aside) as it was meant to be used. If you have not experienced this car in the some sort of mountainous area than you have not experienced this car.

This is all given the environment I live in, where I am surrounding by the Appalachians. If you're living where it's pretty much flat I understand why you would want more power, but in that event you chose the wrong car.

Finally if you do live in the former and still complain about power, than I believe you just want more power to simply say you have the power, or the idea of knowing it's there. For example, shelby gt500 owners know that there is no possible way they could ever use all that power on real world roads, even on the track they could never fully use it. So why spend all that money? Why would you want power you could never use. The idea of knowing it's there I guess.