SOUTHERN ONTARIO GROUP BUY (interest check)

[Heero]

Just came back from KenShaw & dealt with Tom. I put a 1000$ deposit down, and then Tom took me to the Finance office, where they told me to sign a contract (Bill of Sales). I told the person working in Fiance I would not sign a bill of sales without seeing and test driving the car.

I then went to Kenny Shaws office, where I sat for half an hour, waiting for him. Tom then comes in and tells me he can't do anything. Kenny would not even see me in person. RIDICULOUS. Then I went myself and talked to kenny and he refused.

I suggest every1 avoid Kenshaw. This was my only weekend back from Ottawa until next month. Really wanted to put a deposit down...

Edit: So are we going with Jason? I am only in Toronto for this long weekend, so only have basically monday to put a deposit down.

[Saibot]

Originally Posted by Heero

Just came back from KenShaw & dealt with Tom. I put a 1000$ deposit down, and then Tom took me to the Finance office, where they told me to sign a contract (Bill of Sales). I told the person working in Fiance I would not sign a bill of sales without seeing and test driving the car.

I then went to Kenny Shaws office, where I sat for half an hour, waiting for him. Tom then comes in and tells me he can't do anything. Kenny would not even see me in person. RIDICULUS. Then I went myself and talked to kenny and he refused.

I suggest every1 avoid Kenshaw. This was my only weekend back from Ottawa until next month. Really wanted to put a deposit down...

Should we start a dealership blacklist thread? O_O

[Heero]

Originally Posted by Saibot

Should we start a dealership blacklist thread? O_O

I duno! Should I go ahead & put a deposit down with Jason? I am unavailable for the next month. So if we don't go with Jason I can cancel my deposit with his dealership. I'm tied up for the next month unfortunately.

[Aznek]

Heero,

Isn't it possible to make a deposit electronically or over the phone? I don't think anyone in this thread is has put down a deposit yet. I think it might be best to sit tight and hold onto your deposit for now.

[Heero]

Originally Posted by Aznek

Heero,

Isn't it possible to make a deposit electronically or over the phone? I don't think anyone in this thread is has put down a deposit yet. I think it might be best to sit tight and hold onto your deposit for now.

I don't have a credit card :/

& My family is out of country until the end of April due to a death in the family.

I guess I can hold off until we finalize.

[ahquit]

Originally Posted by Saibot

Just got an email from Jason Zhang.

He's offered us 4% over invoice. As we dont know invoice for FR-s just yet, comparing the FR-S to the US MIATA auto touring (MRSP is off by about $160), a 4% increase on invoice gives us ~$24900. Essentially its a $1000 discount off MRSP. We save taxes on that too.

This is sounding like a good option so far. Do even the scion dealers not have the invoice price yet? I assume once they have it, it should appear on sites like CarCostCanada and others relatively quickly?

Originally Posted by Heero

I don't have a credit card :/

& My family is out of country until the end of April due to a death in the family.

I guess I can hold off until we finalize.

You're probably best to wait until we can get closer to confirming something. I'm sure they could work out something remotely, they do want your money after all!

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by Aznek

Heero,

Isn't it possible to make a deposit electronically or over the phone? I don't think anyone in this thread is has put down a deposit yet. I think it might be best to sit tight and hold onto your deposit for now.

Should be possible I would think. I put down my deposit while I was in Vegas without ever meeting face to face with the dealer.

No credit card might be a bit of an issue though!

Off topic: I would recommend getting a credit card even if you only use it once a month for 1 purchase and to pay it off. It will help you build credit.

[Khyron686]

I got a bill of sale, but it had provision "subject to price and test drive approval"... I didn't find it odd at all.

[Sport-Tech]

Just saw this. While this is Subaru and US, according to the thread these paybacks to the dealer you see here are near-universal - so invoice pricing is actually about $1.2k above dealer cost. Something to keep in mind for our group buy. Car companies are finding ways like the "market assistance" payment to bury dealer profits outside of the invoice price as everyone can get invoice information these days.

Originally Posted by eikond

Got some new info:

[Saibot]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

Just saw this. While this is Subaru and US, according to the thread these paybacks to the dealer you see here are near-universal - so invoice pricing is actually about $1.2k above dealer cost. Something to keep in mind for our group buy. Car companies are finding ways like the "market assistance" payment to bury dealer profits outside of the invoice price as everyone can get invoice information these days.

If this is the case with canada; the discount may not be as high as we think then. Waiting on reply regarding actual invoice tmrw.

[Sport-Tech]

I was reminded of this again by the following post from elsewhere on FT86:

Haven't seen in it here or elsewhere in this forum, but when you're signing your "deals" you might include some verbage that under no circumstance will they apply their logo to your new car. Doing so will void the sale and result in getting your deposit back. I don't spend my hard earned money on a new car just to make it a rolling billboard for the dealer. Had this happen to me once when I pre-ordered a 350Z when they were first coming out. Found they had "defaced" the body of my new Z when I went to take delivery and I didn't accept it.

[ahquit]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

I was reminded of this again by the following post from elsewhere on FT86:

Good point, although I think most dealers have moved away from doing that and just put on the license plate frames now. I think the worst offender I see still is Royfoss logos on cars (in the GTA).

[Kenshawscion]

Originally Posted by Heero

Just came back from KenShaw & dealt with Tom. I put a 1000$ deposit down, and then Tom took me to the Finance office, where they told me to sign a contract (Bill of Sales). I told the person working in Fiance I would not sign a bill of sales without seeing and test driving the car.

I then went to Kenny Shaws office, where I sat for half an hour, waiting for him. Tom then comes in and tells me he can't do anything. Kenny would not even see me in person. RIDICULOUS. Then I went myself and talked to kenny and he refused.

I suggest every1 avoid Kenshaw. This was my only weekend back from Ottawa until next month. Really wanted to put a deposit down...

Edit: So are we going with Jason? I am only in Toronto for this long weekend, so only have basically monday to put a deposit down.

Hey guys this Kenny Shaw

I would like to explain what happened here.

We are more than willing to take this pre order but with out a signed bill of sale( which was subject to test drive) it's hard to hold a car.

Tom Vu is one of our toyota salesmen that is trying to help out with scion. I would ask you guy to ask me directly for any help with pre ordering.

With the high demand on this car no bill of sale is not an option, the bill of sale holds us the dealer to providing you with the car as promised. Nothing else.

I'm more than willing to work with everyone here on a discounted rate for preorders as a group.

Anyone that has been around racing in Toronto knows me and would verify that I'm a honest guy.

If you want pm me and we will talk. I have nothing to hide and will be more than helpful.

My email is Kenny.shaw@kenshawscion.ca and phone # is 416 766 1155 ext 107.

[pizzahead20]

not sure if i'm missing something here, but is there a reason why there's been no discussion regarding a GTA/Southern Ontario BRZ group buy? just wondering...