Bespoke stereo

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Big T

how do the GTR style guages function? Is there a cable that connects into the obdII port and into your phone? Sources please

There are wireless odbII connectors out there now. There is an wireless odbII product with an iPhone app. Supposedly zypr is using that one.

But for all we know the bespoke might integrate with the obdII. Could be why it's $850.

[Big T]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

There are wireless odbII connectors out there now. There is an wireless odbII product with an iPhone app. Supposedly zypr is using that one.

But for all we know the bespoke might integrate with the obdII. Could be why it's $850.

apps like this would justify the price to me. Looks like my 1k college grad rebate is going to pay for bespoke and whiteout paint

[Rabble]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

But for all we know the bespoke might integrate with the obdII. Could be why it's $850.

This is the only way that the $850 price tag makes any sense.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by VZ86

My source is the aforementioned Corey himself. I asked him about the other OSes after I noticed he was plugged into the demo iPhone w/ the proprietary 30-pin Apple connector rather than Bluetooth wireless. He then commiserated with the limited support when he pulled out his personal Android phone to show me he wouldn't be able to use the unit himself. Other OS support is in the works, but it sounded like it would be quite a while off.

That is pretty ridiculous considering Android surpassed iOS in terms of user base both in the US and worldwide as of early 2011. It's been over a year since that happened, and it was apparent in early 2010 that it was just a matter of time until that eventuality occurred. To me, that is 2 years to develop an android app for this system which is pretty pathetic that they couldn't get it done for launch.

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by SeattleBoy21

HIDs being better are your opinion. I prefer infinitely the orange-yellowish warm tones produced by traditional lights than white light, which I find cold, clynical, and while does improve clarity, lacks any sense of warmth or personality when driving at night. I have always hated driving in cars with them.

They started putting in LED street lights in Seattle, and the way it changes how a block feels at night is striking. A lot of people hate it. It provides a beam of clarity yes, but the color palate change from orangeish warm to that whitish light makes you feel like you're in a hospital.

Shot below with both types. The orangeish sodium vapor lights seem natural. That IS the correct color palate in nature. There is no white light like seen in LEDs and HIDs in nature. It really changes how neighborhoods feel at night, and I think for the worse, but that's my opinion.

ask any lighting professional, high pressure sodium lights have a terrible effect on color palette. They make many colors difficult to distinguish. There is no yellowish-orange light in nature either so I'm not sure what your point is with that statement.

Your love for halogen lights puts you in the minority of buyers, but lucky for you HIDs are more expensive and thus scion opted not to include them. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we are going to be stuck with the tons of owners who swap out the bulbs for cheap HID kits which have the wrong reflectors and will be improperly aimed and blind oncoming drivers. There is a reason that factory HIDs have to be DOT approved...its because the housings aren't the same as halogen bulbs.

Unfortunately, for those buying the BRZ the headlights aren't automatically leveled which I think should be mandatory in all HID cars so they will also be blinding some oncoming drivers since I'm sure several owners will adjust them as high as they can go.

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edit 2: this post just showed up on google as the 7th highest result for the search i performed to find the link...kind of crazy.

[SeattleBoy21]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

ask any lighting professional, high pressure sodium lights have a terrible effect on color palette. They make many colors difficult to distinguish. There is no yellowish-orange light in nature either so I'm not sure what your point is with that statement.

Your love for halogen lights puts you in the minority of buyers, but lucky for you HIDs are more expensive and thus scion opted not to include them. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we are going to be stuck with the tons of owners who swap out the bulbs for cheap HID kits which have the wrong reflectors and will be improperly aimed and blind oncoming drivers. There is a reason that factory HIDs have to be DOT approved...its because the housings aren't the same as halogen bulbs.

Unfortunately, for those buying the BRZ the headlights aren't automatically leveled which I think should be mandatory in all HID cars so they will also be blinding some oncoming drivers since I'm sure several owners will adjust them as high as they can go.

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edit 2: this post just showed up on google as the 7th highest result for the search i performed to find the link...kind of crazy.

I'm not speaking about the strict clarity, I have and will concede that LEDs/ HIDs color palate are better in clarity. My point is that the color palate is unnatural and uncomfortable for (some) humans to live with as a light source. All I have to say is light your house with a standard warm incandescent light bulb, then light it with a fluroscent tube, then light it with a LED bulb or CCFL. The vast majority of people will prefer the incandescent. The only reason light bulbs are changing is because it's nothing more than a government mandate. There can no longer be produced any incandescent light bulbs soon, so we are forced to switch. Goddamn government is the only thing that can change normal capitalistic market selection.

And about halogen headlamps not being closer to natural light, you're flat out wrong. The reason by the way, warm lights are preferred by many and halogen lights is because they are much closer to the color space output of the sun. Now high pressure sodium might be a little farther off, but halogens and incandescents are much closer. Straight from wiki:

The correlated colour temperature of HID headlamp bulbs, at between 4100K and 4400K, is often described in marketing literature as being closer to the 5800K of sunlight compared with tungsten-halogen bulbs at 3000K to 3550K. Nevertheless, HID headlamps' light output is not similar to daylight. The spectral power distribution (SPD) of an automotive HID headlamp is discontinuous, while the SPD of a filament lamp, like that of the sun, is a continuous curve. Moreover, the colour rendering index (CRI) of tungsten-halogen headlamps (≥0.98) is much closer than that of HID headlamps (~0.75) to standardised sunlight (1.00). Studies have shown no significant safety effect of this degree of CRI variation in headlighting.

So as I said I will concede the safety aspect, but feeling like you're in a prison yard, or a hospital with the lightspace these HIDs, LEDs, and CCFLs put out just isn't pleasant for many people. And it has to do with our evolutionary patterns of the type of colors we see in nature. The yellowish/ orangish is much closer to sun / moon light than this crap.

My ultimate point is, as condescending and correct as you might think you are technically, it is not our imagination that a room feels alien or different when lighted with these whiter lights with the wrong colorspace. Yes, you can see things with more shadow detail, but you can't change human preference for sources of light that are closer to natural sources. Now I grew up on mostly moonlit streets in the country, there was very little ambient artificial light. I can tell you unequivocally that the halogen lights/ older style street lights put out a glow much closer to the way natural moonlight feels than the LED street lights. You may be talking theoretically, but go stand under an LED one like I have. It's like being on an alien planet. Yes, that's my opinion.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The way i read it, the BeSpoke requires a smartphone to function even for Navigation. it runs apps that use your phone for comm, GPS, etc. Not sure if the phone is the brains of the system or just a data modem/conduit. Personally just requiring the smartphone (And especially an iAnything) makes it a no-good for me. I'll stick to the standard unit and add aftermarket later if I want Navigation.

Having played with the standard unit I can say it reminds me like my first girlfriend. She may not have been the prettiest but she did anything I wanted.

[titusdrake]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Hids are better. Makes you see better at night and they also look cooler. The scion lights look cheap. But it is what it is. Scion made their decision and they will have to live with it. And you are right there are choices.

But $850 for the bespoke? I hope that is wrong...

the FR-S has the same groundwork as the BRZ, you will be able to purchase a plug and play kit for push button AND HID's for 100-150 each.

[Big T]

I agree with the sodium light looking better. Try this experiment, replace all the lights in your living room with 3000k lights. You will want to kill yourself. The way things look seems so unnatural. Do this experiment and get back to me. Its also why I prefer real white xmas lights vs the new led xmas lights.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Big T

apps like this would justify the price to me. Looks like my 1k college grad rebate is going to pay for bespoke and whiteout paint

You can also do this with a $20 Bluetooth adapter from Amazon and a $5 App (Torque) from your favorite app store. I run itcon my Droid X or a gTablet but there are similar aps available for iDevices.

[86'd]

Originally Posted by Big T

I agree with the sodium light looking better. Try this experiment, replace all the lights in your living room with 3000k lights. You will want to kill yourself. The way things look seems so unnatural. Do this experiment and get back to me. Its also why I prefer real white xmas lights vs the new led xmas lights.

You're right, but to me on the road, clarity wins out over aesthetics.

In my house I prefer a "warm" light in my house. And actually I like it a bit dim too. I've (and I'm sure most people) always hated the sterile flourescent light but on the road, if it helps me see someone better further away, I'm all for it.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

Lol it doesn't actually run Winamp, it just looks exactly like it. All it's missing is the awesome spectral analyzer. I used to love Winamp.

Still do. Still use it too!

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dont get all the hoopla of WHY a HU needs to have smartphone connectivity.....

you drive, you look at the screen for nav instructions and maybe navigate your mp3's and that's it.....

why would u need apps and junk on a car? This generation of electronic doodads for cars is truly ridiculous......

Agreed.

[russv]

I listened to the standard radio while we were test driving them and it sounded great to me. The less do-dads the better-it is after all a sports car!

[Buggy51]

The reductionist approach can be equally as bad after a while. Why need this many air bags etc.

I personally see nothing wrong with having more applications added (apps don't add weight). If you don't use it, that's fine but having it can't hurt either. And many times, having the phone connectivity allows a bigger nav screen, and a more convenient item to access information.